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Re:Say Cheese: a snapshot of the massive DDoS attacks coming... by pdkl95 on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @11:37AM (#12685362)
> Obviously nobody wants their microwave to put up a message, "is it okay to update now?"

Then why are you putting it on the internet?!

Either you create devices that are secure - which may include things that neither the manufacturer or the user want to do - or you shouldn't be putting it on the internet.

> I think every person's home should have a local network called "shitty backdoored and malicious IoT crap".

Relying on border security is a terrible idea. A firewall is not an excuse to ignore host security.

Re:Say Cheese: a snapshot of the massive DDoS attacks coming... by logicallee on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @11:49AM (#12685497)
Right, so with the binary choices we have today you've given a good analysis. but there are other choices when people think outside the box and experts create new infrastructure. I think we're on the same page and you see some of the same issues I do, we're not going to come up with a goood solution in this comment thread.

pretty sure we can at least agree that all IoT choices available to users and manufacturers today are hugely problematic for one or both of these parties.