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Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by DannyBee on Monday October 10, 2016 @11:54AM (#12677813)
Disbarment for any lawyers. For pro se, they can, for example, ban them from filing lawsuits unless they meet certain conditions (like independent verification, etc).

All of this plus fraud (if they misrepresented what they would do) and criminal charges (because pretty much everything ever is against the law)

Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by gruez on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:12PM (#12677942)
All of which makes me wonder why these SEO/"reputation management" companies even bother with this, given all the risks. Are they seriously hoping that this won't be discovered or that they won't be punished?
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by dragonwriter on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:00PM (#12678333)
> All of which makes me wonder why these SEO/"reputation management" companies even bother with this, given all the risks.

The companies all seem to be fronts for the same individual. Its not unheard of for one individual or a small group to come up with a moneymaking scam that involves exploiting the legal system when they believe that they have constructed enough cutouts (e.g., separate front companies) to protect themselves from liability (and maybe even identification.)

Consider, e.g., the case of Prenda Law. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenda_Law

Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by DannyBee on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:31PM (#12678539)
It's super hard to discover this. It's not like courts require anything real real. Even service of process is basically "affidavit i served a guy".

Since they are apparently doing it in states where they have guaranteed the person does not exist, who is going to argue?

Courts are pretty much the last people who ever would discover this. They entirely rely on their raw power to punish people to prospectively enforce decorum and rule, not investigation or auditing.

That is, they do not discover fraud easily or quickly, but when they discover fraud, it tends to go very much "not well" for the people involved.

Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by kbenson on Monday October 10, 2016 @02:03PM (#12678745)
> Since they are apparently doing it in states where they have guaranteed the person does not exist, who is going to argue?

That's interesting. This may be a case where you are more secure if your name is common, such as John Smith, since I think the likelihood of finding a state without a John Smith in residence is fairly small.

Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by paulajohnson on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @07:51AM (#12683461)
OTOH demonstrating that none of the John Smiths in the state are the one named in the paperwork might be more difficult.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by mi100hael on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:40PM (#12678186)
I'm sure they thought they would get away with it since there isn't a real "victim" other than someone who may or may not remember leaving a negative review or comment and probably won't even notice it's gone missing. Honestly I'm impressed that anyone connected all the dots so quickly.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by vorg on Monday October 10, 2016 @06:43PM (#12680346)
> I'm impressed that anyone connected all the dots so quickly

Or it happens so often that this is the 1 in 1000 that got discovered.

Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by verbify on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @08:41AM (#12683785)
Lost traffic on websites = lost revenue.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by lakmear on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:42PM (#12678196)
Your mistake is assuming behavior like this is rare. If a law firm has connections in the state bar, there is no force that will punish them besides media outlets. Even then, the law firm (or reputation management company) can sit through the storm until public interest fades. I think required electronic document filing with computers analyzing the cases is the best way to solve the widespread problem of lack of legal accountability.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by DannyBee on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:39PM (#12678601)
This depends on the state. There are states where "people helping clients commit fraud" gets you a suspension (new york).

There are states that take it more seriously, like maryland. http://www.marylandinjurylawyerblog.com/2009/01/a_tale_of_tw...

(This is pretty extreme, but maryland does take bar complaints very seriously)

Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by hobbyjogger on Monday October 10, 2016 @06:17PM (#12680178)
Any lawyer or law firm who intentionally presented fabricated documents with forged signatures to a court under these circumstances would almost certainly be disbarred. Reputation management firms don't face that risk -- but they are subject to punishment in other ways.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by M_Grey on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:26PM (#12678059)
Some people lack the ability to accurately assess the risks of their own actions, for a variety of reasons. Personality disorders, arrogance, institutional pressure, a long history of getting away with said risky behavior, can all cloud or utterly shatter the ability of someone to appreciate where the road they're on is most likely to lead.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by jacquesm on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:37PM (#12678160)
In this case I'd suggest the reason is 'money', not some mental issue.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by M_Grey on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:56PM (#12678295)
Sure, greed is a factor, but most people are greedy, while still managing to appreciate the risks of being caught.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:38PM (#12678173)
They may completely appreciate the risks, however, and simply have judged it unlikely they would be caught.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by M_Grey on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:55PM (#12678291)
I mean... isn't that the primary risk?
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by Sniffnoy on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:58PM (#12678313)
The article makes it sound like almost all of this is due to Richart Ruddie. In which case, the answer to your question is, they aren't. One person is, and now they've been found out.
Re:Suspicious court cases, missing defendants, aim to get we... by dev360 on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:59PM (#12678318)
I've met quite a few SEO folks that have exactly this mindset. They just hop from one short-sighted arbitrage opportunity to another.