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Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by NicoJuicy on Friday October 07, 2016 @08:54AM (#12660233)
I understand your point of view and you are probably right.

But to my opinion, everyone here knows Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it.

PS. General public/buyers don't know and i already changed from iOS, because "add to homescreen" doesn't work as well as on Android

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by marcosdumay on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:02AM (#12660288)
> there is almost nothing we can do about it.

Don't buy their devices. Apple is not a government that can coerce you into submission.

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by Klathmon on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:30AM (#12660489)
Now i might be in the minority here, but I feel this is akin to telling someone that lives somewhere with a landlord that won't maintain the building to "just move".

I know it's not the same scale, and i'm not trying to compare poverty and human suffering to a web browser, but IMO there are some similarities.

Switching to an entire other OS which many believe to be less secure, that in many cases doesn't have many of the same applications, and significant changes to everything you do on your device (which for many is their ONLY device connected to the internet), for a web browser?

People won't do it, and I (as a web developer) don't think they should give up everything for a few web features. But when one party is purposely holding the ecosystem back, something should be done. They need to improve, or open up the playing field to others that will improve.

IMO forcing "operating systems" to be more inclusive would be a good thing, and could really improve not only iOS, but Android and Windows as well.

I don't know how this would look legally, i'm pretty far from a lawyer, but the discussion is at the very least worth having without hand waving any complaints away with "just buy an android"

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by captainmuon on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:26AM (#12660451)
If I put on my naïve glasses for a moment:

Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices. There is no competition. And if somebody would built a better or freer iOS device, Apple would use the full force of the state to stop them. So, in a very narrow fashion, Apple does use their government-granted rights to coerce you to buy it's devices, if you want an iOS one.

Of course, nowadays Android devices are more than adequate replacements for many users, so most people do have the option to buy outside of the Apple world, as you suggest.

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by marcosdumay on Friday October 07, 2016 @11:07AM (#12661234)
> Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices.

And if you were complaining as a developer, that wants to distribute your software around, you'd have a point.

But the GP is complaining as a user, that has complete freedom to choose the phone he is buying. He just want the shinning locked-up one, but don't want the consequences of the locking-up. He has all the right in the world to complain about it, but if he won't do anything about it, why would anybody care to listen?

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by briandear on Friday October 07, 2016 @11:21AM (#12661336)
McDonalds has a monopoly on McDonalds's hamburgers too.
Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by captainmuon on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @02:35PM (#12695412)
However! you can make your own Big Mac if you are dedicated: http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2011/05/the-burger-lab-b... I tried once and the result was pretty good.

But no one can sell me e.g. an iPhone 7 with audio jack. And I can't build one on my own.

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by WayneBro on Friday October 07, 2016 @04:17PM (#12663620)
But McDonalds cannot just put whatever ingredients they want in their burgers. They have to follow rules. Like not putting Nicotine in them.
Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by aljones on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:31AM (#12660497)
Apple has a monopoly on Apple branded devices. Well, ok.
Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by estefan on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:07AM (#12660326)
I was waiting for this timeless - and useless - HN riposte.
Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by kbart on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:00AM (#12660270)
"Apple is blocking HTML 5 somewhat and there is almost nothing we can do about it."

Sure we can! Vote with your wallet and don't buy Apple's products. Or at least write a complaint to one of their support centers..

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by Svenskunganka on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:20AM (#12660410)
The problem is that this approach is perfectly fine when it comes to us programmers or more technical people, but for "normal" users this approach won't work, simply because they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring.

There's a saying; "What you don't know can't hurt you", and that can be applied for these users - whom make up the majority of iOS device users - since they don't know what they're missing out on. While you and me on the other hand knows what we're missing out on, both as programmers and users, we at least have the chance to vote with our wallets. I do, perhaps even you do, but as you can clearly see it's still not enough to even make a dent in Apple iOS device sales.

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by paulcole on Friday October 07, 2016 @10:02AM (#12660698)
>they don't know the possibilities an up-to-standards iOS Safari would bring.

To be fair, they also don't care at all.

Re:Why we are suing Apple for better HTML5 support in iOS by stephenr on Friday October 07, 2016 @09:28AM (#12660476)
> everyone here

I think we have different definitions for "everyone".