Lets be honest here, are you saying that a web-based real-time-communications API is a basic human right?

> Apple has no reason to "not" include it, except financial gain.

The reason they have not to include it is that they have different priorities than browser vendors who want to jam mobile browsers full of every unripe API under the sun (like those that dangerously leak user's real connection info even when behind a VPN).

I'm saying that yes, webrtc is part of the HTML 5 web and so should be a basic human right.

I'm not saying that it is though.

Except when WebRTC actually isnt a part of HTML5 (yet), it's only a draft specification.

Stop bringing logic and facts to a pitchforks and torches kind of discussion.

/sarcasm

I upvoted him ;)

Calling HTML5 a basic human right erodes the concept of basic human rights. Please don't do it.

Apple doesn't provide Internet access -- ISPs do. Nobody forces you to choose Apple's products, there are plenty of others to choose from.

This is the answer. If you have a problem with the product, don't buy it.

For basic internet access to the general public you need:

- broadband

- a browser

Broadband is by ISP's and a browser is in this case by Apple.

And yeah, i don't buy Apple ( obviously). "Add to homescreen" is probably my most used functionality :p .

You are confusing the internet with the World Wide Web, Apple does not support Flash do you want to claim that a flash plugin is a human rights issue? Because I can guarantee that the amount of content you cannot access due to lack of flash is orders of magnitude greater than what you cannot access due to lackluster HTML5 support.

In fact I can't think of any HTML5 content which you would not be able to view, it might not be formatted properly but it will be accessible.

Could you argue that developers using HTML 5 are violating human rights because not every browser fully supports it? Developers are fully aware that not every feature is available on every browser -- yet they willingly use those technologies anyway. It's clear we should drag developers in front of a UN Tribunal to account for their willingness to deny the world basic human rights.

This has gotten beyond absurd. I can't remember when I voted to make HTML 5 a human right. I can think of a lot more important things that might ought to be addressed (and enforced) first.