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Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by omouse on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:06AM (#12644424)
Twitter should be owned as a worldwide co-operative at this point, it's too useful as infrastructure to hand it over to some greedy jackasses.
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by morgante on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:53PM (#12645556)
> it's too useful as infrastructure to hand it over to some greedy jackasses.

This is an extremely dubious claim and I don't see why everyone is so eager to support it.

What exactly makes Twitter valuable infrastructure? What compelling service does it offer to people and society? What other things would stop working if Twitter were shut down?

All I see is a bunch of people shouting at each other. Most people do not and will never use Twitter.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by bufordsharkley on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:13PM (#12647951)
Social networks are in practice a natural monopoly. Having the operation of the natural monopoly pass be handled by the state is one solution.

I think another solution is for the state to force the operator of the social network to keep its APIs open. (It's anti-competitive to do otherwise, would be the argument.)

I think it's interesting that there's a Wiki page about this issue.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_as_a_public_utili...

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by jimmytidey on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:09PM (#12646805)
Twitter is a (I think very well designed) forum for public debate.

Good systems for public debate are the precondition for democracy.

In a democracy they are the infrastructure on which all other infrastructure depends. Every subsequent spending decision is influenced by them.

If you turn off public debate nothing will break the next day, but in a decade most people's lives will be misery.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by morgante on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:28PM (#12646977)
We had public debate long before Twitter existed. [0] I have full confidence that if Twitter were to close tomorrow that we would continue to have public debate, and it might even be better debate.

[0] You might claim that Twitter is superior to other forms of public debate, but then I'd ask if you're really happy with the way politics are going.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by wott on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:55PM (#12647216)
'Debate' in less than 140 characters, half of those being # and @ tags, is indeed a vibrant proof of a healthy democracy.

What's next? A well designed debate platform that allows only emojis? A well designed debate platform that allows only meme pictures?

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by jimmytidey on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:49PM (#12647718)
I am, of course, not saying that Twitter is the only kind of public debate, or that public debate did not exist before Twitter.

I am saying that for millions of people Twitter is a unique way to join public debate. Personally, I have interacted with several public individuals who I couldn't conceive of contacting any other way. This is an example of two politics professors taking the time to explain something apparently well known in their circle to me:

https://twitter.com/Jimmytidey/status/757494127537905664

Where else would that happen?

If it does not suit you, fair enough. I find newspapers disinteresting, but I would prefer to live in a society that has them to one that does not. I would also prefer, as with Twitter, that their ownership structure was a little different (I'm in the UK).

I agree that Twitter has design flaws as a medium for public discussion, and I also believe that some of them could be alleviated if Twitter was run was by people with different incentives.

I myself am very happy with the character count, the truth is that the limiting factor is not how long a message you are permitted to write, but how long a message others will be inclined to read. I suspect Twitter is just being honest with us in this regard.

Certainly it is not the place to articulate a nuanced view. It is a place where you can find a unique audience.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by overcast on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:23PM (#12647483)
If Twitter's current intent is to make it a platform for debate. They make it awfully confusing place for any newcomers. A crummy character count, that forces everyone to speak in acronyms, hashtags, and shortened URL's. It's a miserable experience for any type of dialogue, with various overlays, and drill downs, that honestly gets me lost most of the time. TechCrunch summarized this well.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/19/twitters-new-simpler-rules...

"SIMPLE".

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by sushid on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @01:53PM (#12646117)
This is hilarious to me. If you find something valuable, your proposal is to take it and have it "owned by the world?" And I thought our presidential candidate were bad.
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by smacktoward on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @04:10PM (#12647361)
It's not crazy, it happens sometimes with private businesses that grow into critical public infrastructure.

New York City's subway system is one example. It started out in the 1900s as a couple of private companies, Interborough Rapid Transit (IRT) and Brooklyn Rapid Transit (BRT). The lines these two companies operated suffered more and more over time from overcrowding, leading the city to establish a third, public system in the '30s, and then in 1940 to just buy out IRT and BRT and merge all three systems into the single, publicly-operated network that serves NYC today. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_New_York_City_S... for more on this.)

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by omouse on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:12PM (#12647934)
https://boingboing.net/2016/10/04/proposal-turn-twitter-into...

It can happen, co-operatives are a viable business model. My bank is a co-operative and they work for their member-owners.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by oldmanjay on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:29AM (#12644669)
I'm endlessly amused by the attitude people get over websites they like. I'm not sure what your personal argument for forcing twitter to be a utility is, but I'm sure it would make me laugh. Care to let me know?
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by jimmytidey on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:52AM (#12644919)
It doesn't sound like you have a particularly open mind on this one, but I always address this question when it comes up on Hackner News because it's something I have strong feelings about.

I'm not going to defend Twitter being a utility (which the parent comment also doesn't mention) but I will say that in general, it's very clear to me we haven't worked out what kind of institutions can best deliver services in the digital age.

It's profoundly dubious that Twitter - a defacto 'town square' for public discussion - is owned by an institution that, at best, has few incentives to make it effective for the purpose which it is widely used.

This is significant in democracies, where the quality of national decision making will be directly linked to the design of the channels in which public debate happens.

The idea that we can take full and fair advantage of the opportunities the web offers exclusively through profit-motivated corporations is flatly wrong.

The fact that as Twitter users we agreed to some T&Cs doesn't mean we can't also wish for a more democratic digital public space - which I assume is what the parent comment is really getting at.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by taurath on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:41PM (#12647089)
I think its a great idea, if a model could be found that would work (with a person at the top with the vision for such a model). Government run just screams surveillance to me, and is a non-starter for a huge percentage of the population. A non-profit wikipedia-like model could work I suppose, but I'm not sure what the problems would be with such a prolific service.
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by tootie on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @03:47PM (#12647143)
I would strongly dispute that. Twitter has that much public value. Relativley few people use for critical information. It's a default option for broad communication, but it's hardly the only one.
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by jimmytidey on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:26PM (#12648046)
It was the key source of info for me during brexit.

I'm told that in Afghanistan it played (plays?) a key role in for aid agencies.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by Nadya on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:09PM (#12645098)
My issue with Twitter is people need to learn how to take things into their own hands - even if it means at their own expense. Realistically, this is impractical for most people, especially the technically illiterate or those too poor to pay for hosting (even if it is only for personal use, instead of being open to a public)

Twitter will never realistically be a utility. But there can be an open and distributed replacement for it that will meet the same goals, with fewer corporate restrictions and a more fractured government intervention.

GNUSocial is a great replacement for Twitter. With multiple hosts, your data is yours, you can move data between hosts and you can even choose to host it for yourself to control your own data.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_social

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by jimmytidey on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @05:24PM (#12648024)
Wasn't aware of this - will check out...
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by bernardlunn on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:13AM (#12644487)
But it is too expensive now for that route
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by tarancato on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:19AM (#12644558)
I wonder how cheaper would it be if tweets were removed in, let's say, six months.
Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by SwellJoe on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:54AM (#12644943)
This election has proven the value of old tweets; as one candidate in particular has a penchant for making shit up, and then pretending later he didn't make shit up.

That said, I thought about this recently when @pmarca took a break from twitter and all of his tweets disappeared, and I figured, "Well, yes, I follow him and enjoy his tweets...but I never planned to go back and read the old ones." It is a fleeting and temporary medium, like a conversation rather than an article or book.

Nonetheless, I really doubt storage is anywhere near the majority of the cost of running Twitter. It takes a lot of 140 character tweets to fill up a terabyte.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by the_watcher on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:15PM (#12645179)
> Nonetheless, I really doubt storage is anywhere near the majority of the cost of running Twitter. It takes a lot of 140 character tweets to fill up a terabyte.

Tweets contain photos, videos, gifs, etc. Text is far from the only things that would need to be stored.

Re:Twitter Is Expected to Field Bids This Week by SwellJoe on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @12:34PM (#12645385)
How many tweets contain media? On my timeline it is a very, very small percentage.