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Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by Illniyar on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:14PM (#12613338)
I've been a software engineer for close to 10 years now, and we are definitely overpaid for what most of us are doing, and that is mostly because of supply and demand.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by mpdehaan2 on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:35PM (#12613509)
I'd suggest rather than look at it as you being overpaid, look at it as everyone else being underpaid - in other words, corporate profit sharing is not what it should be.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by ArkyBeagle on Friday September 30, 2016 @12:52PM (#12613609)
We automate things. As Jaron Lanier says, "code is people who aren't there". We create substitutions for labor. The lot of mankind only began to improve rapidly after human and animal muscle power was substituted-for by engines.

All production is a mix of land, labor and capital. So it depends on cases, but when we are in the right place at the right time, we deliver stupendous amounts of value.

I've been involved in cases where two, three, four, twenty people could address tens of millions of cost $US per year. The interesting thing is that sometimes, even though you have the numbers on your side, the management team demurs.

It's all but impossible to actually evaluate what we're worth.

Appealing to supply and demand may involve what's called "The Lump of Labor Fallacy". We're not stevedores, and we're not surgeons. We're somewhere in between.

Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by sidlls on Friday September 30, 2016 @01:51PM (#12614016)
Nonsense. Relative to the value we provide, even average or mediocre developers are underpaid. "Everyone" else is, too, who isn't in upper management.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by wott on Friday September 30, 2016 @02:33PM (#12614313)
Define 'value'.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by dredmorbius on Monday October 03, 2016 @11:24PM (#12633112)
That turns out to be a deep and interesting question.

One response: https://archive.org/details/lectureonnotiono00lloy

Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by st3v3r on Friday September 30, 2016 @02:30PM (#12614298)
No, we're not. Considering how much money our stuff makes/saves, we're drastically underpaid.
Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by walshemj on Friday September 30, 2016 @01:55PM (#12614047)
Compared to our peers in the law and medicine and other professions we are not even more so outside of SV.

In the UK the average GP is on around £120k I bet very very few chartered (Peng) engineers make as much.

Re:90 Cents of Every 'Pay-For-Performance' Dollar for CEOs A... by thedufer on Friday September 30, 2016 @07:34PM (#12615849)
If we were overpaid, companies with a large portion of developers would all go out of business. But they're not. Where is the money above the value we create coming from?