The first address I recognized is the Shell station just down the street from my Grandfather's house. It's not a very nice neighborhood anymore (a planned freeway just to the south was canceled back in the 1980's, and all the houses that had been taken by eminent domain were auctioned off. The new tenants didn't take care of their neighborhoods like the owners used to).

Some of the stations are in rather well-to-do areas. 4995 N Granite Reef Rd in Scottsdale is a Shell station too, and is pretty close to downtown Scottsdale. Lots of Circle K's - most of these stores are corporate, but a few are franchises.

I usually paid cash for my gas, and I haven't been skimmed. I brought up 'skimming' at my credit union the other day, when I deposited to savings rather than checking, and the teller said it's a problem for them in the Phoenix area.

Edit: Looking into it more, these aren't little Mom-And-Pop gas stations, they're mostly Circle K's (corporate) and franchises of big-name energy companies - lots of Shell and Valero franchises.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valero_Energy - for example: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1925+N+Scottsdale+Rd,+Temp...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Oil_Company - for example: https://www.google.com/maps/place/4995+N+Granite+Reef+Rd,+Sc...

Edit 2: Mile Marker 27 (Last Stop) is a Texaco: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texaco/@35.7114132,-114.51...

  ... a planned freeway just to the south was canceled back 
  in the 1980's, and all the houses that had been taken by 
  eminent domain were auctioned off. The new tenants 
  didn't take care of their neighborhoods like the owners 
  used to.

This blows my mind. So the local government forced people out of their homes, then said, "Nevermind!"?

The freeway was also going to take out a private high school, which has many influential members of the community as alumni. It was not even a necessary freeway - parallel to I-10, but only a few miles to the north.

I might be wrong about the details (I was a kid at the time), but this page confirms that a freeway in this general area was canceled 'due to neighborhood opposition': https://www.arizonaroads.com/arizona/az50.html

Family friend in CT was just telling me about this. He works for the Dept. of Weights and Transfers. Said they usually make sure that pumps give you exactly the amount you pay for, but lately they've been working with the Secret Service and finding even the insides of pump machines compromised.

Recommends preferring paying in cash, then credit, lastly debit and if you do so, move your money out of that account and into a savings account.

This is a mostly solved problem in the most of the world. (but only mostly).

lock the cabinet, have cameras, have a non-flat shaped card reader slot (preferably with a picture of what it should look like stuck next to the reader), have a sealed emv/pci compliant reader/pin pad component, schedule regular checks of the equipment, remote alarm the pump enclosure.

and finally have credit card companies or head office tear shit out of the site if they don't have these.

Or just don't accept swipe-only cards at pumps(or any machines where there is no human). But that's not going to happen until every person in US upgraded their card to chip-and-pin.

I don't know how much this would help by itself. People installing skimmers can just install something that looks like a swiper even though the transaction would never complete. I think most if not all cards in the US with a chip can still be used online, so swiping it at all still gets you enough to use the card.

Unless the legislature forces this, I doubt it will happen. The banks and credit cards have turned these exploits into a problem of the individual instead of a problem of the institution (which has shit security). So you and I get stuck with the fraud and they get paid, typically.

I've been the victim of a couple forms of fraud (fraudulent charges in TX, Macy's CC opened in my wife's name) and the CC companies bent over backwards to accommodate us. No hesitation that the charges would be reversed, holds placed on the account, and new cards sent.

That and fraud detection is getting better. I went home to visit my parents (2 hours away), got gas, then exchanged USD for €300. That triggered their algorithms (as well it should have), and I got a text about 10s after I swiped my card.

That's interesting that my mom has had the exact opposite experience with getting their identity stolen and fraudulent cards opened in their name.

> So you and I get stuck with the fraud and they get paid, typically.

Not true with credit cards, but very true with debit cards.

Don't use/carry debit cards. have your bank re-issue you an ATM-only card instead.

Why don't the operators add a daily check for skimmers while they do their daily pump checks? And with video so affordable now, even if it's only on a 7-day retention, they can turn over evidence to authorities to catch the perps?

It would help, but a lot of places just don't do it. They said thieves target places that neglect security, which there are plenty of.

Maybe GasBuddy or the like can begin identifying stations which have experienced compromises (and are complacent) as well as ones which maintain some operational security or at least actively seek to fight the skimmers.

I would certainly give preference to stations with better scores, in that regard, even if there were a modest price premium.

Because you would have to train manual labor workers for highly technical task.

video, just have a light turned on a control board in the station or an email/text sent anytime the door/lock is accessed

Cash is king now. But just enough some wayward cop doesn't confiscate it because it's all shifty and suspicious looking.

Will skimmers be rendered obsolete by chip cards? It seems like this will all be over when the last magnetic strip reader is shut down. Although I've never seen a chip reader at a gas station, so it may be a while.

It is impossible (yet) to hack chip & pin. The problem is that even chip cards have a magstripe that can be skimmed. EMV[1] enabled fallback funtionality by default, which is the biggest issue imho. Basically, if your chip is broken, a terminal goes through fallback mechanism and uses magstripe instead. This way you can clone a card with "broken" chip and copied magstripe. Some banks allow to disable (opt-out) magstripe for chip cards, so unless you are in US, you should do that. I've seen some people intentionally scratched magstripe, but I'm not sure it's a very good idea.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMV

Or, you know, take your fingernail and scratch the shit out of the stripe. Or play with some strong magnets. Or sand paper. Or... you get the point

Sure you could. But I'd like to have a backup options in case I end up in strange place that doesn't accept chip&pin or my chip is really broken while on travel. It could be opt-in, so in case I need magnet, I could call my bank and ask to enable it.

I wish more places accepted NFC tokenized solutions like Apple Pay or similar. Replay attacks can't occur for those that got the raw data somehow.

Chip-and-pin cards have been hacked.

https://www.rt.com/usa/354657-chip-pin-cards-blackhat/

AIUI, no: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABJlvrZWbY

This is a talk from 2012, so things may have changed.

There have been incidents where in-store attendants have been caught skimming cards with handheld skimmers I would be surprised if done of these gas station attendants are not in league with the criminals or even install some of these devices on their behalf.

Now I want my car to be able to detect local Bluetooth signals and warn me about skimmers.

The thieves will then switch to Wi-Fi, or Zigbee, or whatever.

Oh look, Krebs rides again ! :)

I wasn't sarcastic