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Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by mintplant on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:04PM (#12586001)
The link at the bottom goes to https://beagleboard.org/wireless which isn't working for me, but https://beagleboard.org/black-wireless works. Mouser lists the price as $68.75 and element14 as $99.25; neither has any stock yet.

There are hardware design source files on https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglebone-black-wireless, including a PDF schematic: https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglebone-black-wireless/raw... which features a Texas Instruments WL1835MODGBMOCT WiFi/Bluetooth module: https://store.ti.com/WL1835MODGBMOCT.aspx

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by faragon on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:26PM (#12586141)
The board SoC quality is very good. However, it can not compete with e.g. the CHIP SoC board [1], which costs just 9 USD + shipping with similar specs (I have two CHIP running 24/7 without any additional cooling, running rock solid -even in summer, at 35-40ΒΊ C indoor-).

The only thing that would make me consider buying the BeagleBone Black Wireless is the two built-in microcontrollers ("PRU" processors [2]), for real-time I/O usage.

[1] https://getchip.com/

[2] http://beagleboard.org/pru

P.S. I'm not related to CHIP product, just a happy user :-)

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by errantspark on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:41PM (#12586229)
Unfortunately even though I 'bought' a CHIP some 6 months ago I have yet to actually receive it. It's very easy to source a BBB. Hopefully in the future thy become more available. Though I fear that will come with an increase in price.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by morganvachon on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @05:24AM (#12588300)
I think their fulfillment process has been hit-or-miss. I ordered a CHIP in December 2015, received it in January 2016. However, my VGA adapter didn't arrive until late June. Part of the problem is their confusing order process; peripherals like the VGA adapter were being advertised as shipping in February/March, which was when I expected mine, but when I inquired about it via email I was told they had not even started physically building them yet, and I'd get mine "some time this year".

Still, for $20 total outlay I have something that is between the Raspberry Pi B+ and 2 in performance, with arguably better expansion (if you value GPIO over USB), and a few nice extras like a power/reset button and built in support for LiPo batteries. The downside is that it's based on an Allwinner chip, and that company is known for being open-source hostile. Supposedly they are trying to improve, but it does limit the range of operating systems available for the device.

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by CJKinni on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:05PM (#12587202)
I've experienced some serious fulfillment delays from them as well. Thanks for the reminder to get back in touch with them to see what's the hold up this time.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by sspiff on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:49PM (#12586284)
That's odd - I ordered my PocketCHIP in June and received it a week ago.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by harperlee on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @05:09AM (#12588253)
I am also waiting for a couple of ones since a couple of months ago, in case someone needs another data point.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by nawtacawp on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:56PM (#12586333)
I have a few chips too. Running one as a jukebox. Not sure what to do with the others yet. What do you use yours for?
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by FullyFunctional on Monday September 26, 2016 @07:45PM (#12586553)
Funny story (I think): I happened to have brought a C.H.I.P. when I went back to europe for vacation. My father proudly showed me his new solar array and the log he had collected manually. After a bit of googling, sourcing a USB-serial adapter locally, and a few long nights I had the CHIP collecting this from the Growatt 3000's serial port and uploading it to pvoutput.org. It's still running 24/7.

EDIT: I have too many of the little SBC, but in my mind the CHIP is outstanding value for these little projects where in yesteryears one would have used a microcontroller.

For things that need more power, I like the ODROID C2.

Soo many to choose from.

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by nawtacawp on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @12:39AM (#12587467)
Great application! I agree, you never know when you might need one for a project. My wife was recently complaining about why we don't have a house phone (nevermind that we both have cell phones). Anyway, I didn't want to pay for phone service. Took a rpi, installed asterisk, paired with a new google voice number, ordered a SIP phone -- and now we have a home phone with no monthly charge..
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by dfc on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @06:30AM (#12588488)
I'm not trying to be a jerk, I am just curious if I missed something. Where is the humor?
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by programmer_man on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @08:48AM (#12589183)
They meant "hey that made me think of a related story"
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by blacksmith_tb on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:30PM (#12586164)
Can it be that those prices are imaginary until there's stock? It seems like a nice board (I have a old BBB, with ethernet, and it's solid), but the CHIP [1] gets you wifi and BT for $9...

1: https://getchip.com/pages/chip

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by kscz on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:21PM (#12586723)
But the CHIP uses an Allwinner CPU, and for those of us who like to support manufacturers that actually play nice with the open source community: the CHIP is a no-go.

The specific CPU in the CHIP appears to have mainline support, so it's less terrible than things like the "Banana Pi M2+" ( http://linux-sunxi.org/Sinovoip_Banana_Pi_M2%2B ), but I like to support CPU manufacturers who aren't Allwinner.

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by hak8or on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:25PM (#12586741)
While the motives are nice, there is no way I am willing to reward a company like the one who makes the beaglebone black that effectively scams its customers by charging such a huge amount relative to other products.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by bsder on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:16PM (#12587217)
The level of ignorance in that statement is stunning.

First, the Bill of Materials for the BeagleBone is publicly available. I'm quite sure the BeagleBone guys would welcome your help in finding parts that are significantly cheaper than what they have now.

Second, the BeagleBone comes with a bunch of very standard connectors that are optional or hobbyist installs on a lot of the other boards. Ethernet jack, 2 usb ports (one OTG), an actual power adapter jack that isn't USB, both big headers already installed, mini-HDMI already installed, uSD card holder installed and probably a couple others that I forgot. Those connectors are not cheap AND they often have to be installed by hand.

Third, most BeagleBone's come with everything you need. You don't need to buy a USB cable. You don't need to buy a flash card. You plug it in and it powers up and you can do stuff on it. RPi's used to make you buy both a cable and a uSD card--maybe that has changed.

Finally, the BeagleBone is actually quite a bit more powerful and has more peripherals than most of these other boards. The BeagleBone always came with a processor capable of running stock Linux even from it's release in April 2013--the RPi didn't get that until the RPi2 almost 2 years later. Quite a few things on the BBB hang directly off the chip and have their own functional modules that don't conflict with other things. On the BBB, for example, Ethernet is wired to the chip--it does not suck up USB bandwidth like the RPi. While you can plug in a USB audio stick on the BBB, most capes actually access the McASP block so that they get direct DMA and again don't clog the USB bus. I can do a lot more things simultaneously on the BBB than I can on the RPi before bogging it down.

If you can use the RPi for whatever it is you are doing--great! It's a nice product. But there are a lot of us quietly using a lot of BeagleBones because it is way more powerful and had these things from the start. RPi adopted these things later and, funnily enough, needed to increase their price when they did so.

It's no coincidence that the RPi3 and the BeagleBone Green are almost identical in price.

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by morganvachon on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @05:31AM (#12588315)
> RPi adopted these things later and, funnily enough, needed to increase their price when they did so.

This is my only nitpick with your post. While the Pi was in development, yes it was advertised as a "$25 computer", and once they finalized the design of the B version it ended up at $35. However, its price has not increased one penny since release, despite several revisions and huge leaps in performance and capability. Today we have the RPi 3, a quad core 64 bit computer that sells for the same price as the original single core, outdated-on-release board from 2012. If anything, that means the price has technically gone down, since you're getting so much more for the same amount.

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by karlshea on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:23PM (#12587238)
> RPi's used to make you buy both a cable and a uSD card

Still true, at least when I got my RPi 3 from Adafruit a month ago.

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by kscz on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:43PM (#12586809)
Well, I'm not really qualified to talk about the BoM costs relative to the sale price because I don't do manufacturing, but the Beaglebone Black team claims they charge at margin based on the BoM: "Currently there is $0 margin on these boards [...]" [0]. I normally compare the BeagleBone Black to the Raspberry Pi in terms of cost: the initial Raspberry Pi cost $35, but came with no internal flash. So with 4GB of internal flash the BBB seemed like a reasonable deal at $50. If you're willing to go without HDMI, the Beaglebone Green is $39 [1]

The Allwinner CPUs are always extremely cheap, but I don't support the company because of what jerks they are to the open source community [2]

[0] http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Revision_C_.28...

[1] http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/seeed-technology-co...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allwinner#Linux_controversies

Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by stephen_g on Monday September 26, 2016 @08:41PM (#12586801)
How is that a scam? They don't have a monopoly and it's not an essential item - so they should be able to charge whatever they want, and if people feel that the BeagleBone's features are worth the price then they will buy it. What's the problem?
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by wolfgke on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @05:18AM (#12588283)
Why do you consider charging a higher price as "scamming"? For example a SABRE Lite board is much more expensive and has a weaker processor than, say, a Raspberry Pi 3. Nevertheless it has advantages, for example it is much more open than an RPi3 and thus it is much easier to do bare-metal development on it, which is a reason why for example the seL4 developers use it as (one of the) build target(s) (cf. https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#On_what_h...)?
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by hackcasual on Monday September 26, 2016 @06:56PM (#12586331)
Beagleboard's come with PRUs, for which, if you need a lot of very fast GPIO, there's no substitute. I've driven 9000 LEDs at 100fps with Octoscroller
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by blacksmith_tb on Monday September 26, 2016 @07:27PM (#12586476)
Which is admittedly very cool, for some applications - but the PRUs can't account for the huge price difference by themselves, I wouldn't think.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by hackcasual on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @03:22PM (#12592274)
It's more of a case that is a niche feature, so only pricier chips include it.
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by jwatte on Monday September 26, 2016 @10:10PM (#12587045)
Just use one of the for cores on a rpi2 locked to GPIO duty and you can run them as fast as you want...
Re:BeagleBone Black Wireless by sigkill on Tuesday September 27, 2016 @05:35AM (#12588327)
I've heard this mentioned before in the passing. How does one actually do this.