Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by dorito_chimp on Friday September 23, 2016 @10:45AM (#12564975)

That's a very odd statement to make. Most people like the reassurance/range-security of being able to visit a gas station in addition to having an electrical engine. That's supposed to be a selling point of the car over Tesla even though it's electrical range sucks and Tesla's extensive supercharger network all but removes range anxiety.

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Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by bane on Friday September 23, 2016 @07:55PM (#12568741)

Some of the newer hybrid drivetrains, like the new Honda Accord Hybrids, are basically electric cars mated to a gas powered generator and instead of a big battery just have a gas tank - a smaller battery bank "caches" the generated energy. Thus you only take it to the gas station every ~600 miles and don't bother the rest of the time.

(and yes, the gas engine in this kind of drivetrain will mate to the electric motors during power intensive operations for a boost, but that's not strictly required in this kind of approach)

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Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by blktiger on Friday September 23, 2016 @11:31AM (#12565343)

I suspect most people only _think_ they want the range-security of going to a gas station. In practice they'd find it a huge hassle to both plug in the car and go to a gas station. Probably the average person would end up either only using either the battery pack or the gas tank, not both.

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Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by dorito_chimp on Friday September 23, 2016 @12:16PM (#12565710)

Fair enough. But I still don't know why this is a hassle not a feature. You don't have to visit a gas station. Put it this way: if the Model S could have a gas tank (without losing electric range, trunk space or any of the other features that make it unique - I know pipe dream), wouldn't customer be happier to have this option as well.

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Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by rebootthesystem on Monday September 26, 2016 @11:28AM (#12582616)

Because I want to go electric to not have to deal with gasoline ever again. I don't want to have anything to do with gas stations. It would almost be embarrassing to me to buy a $100K+ "electric" car and have to visit the gas station at all.

And, yes, it's a hassle. Life with a pure electric is simple: Plug in at work, plug in at home, plug in at the mall, visit superchargers during trips if needed.

With the BMW's you have extreme electric range anxiety (only 80 miles) if you want to "be electric" and you have to now: plug in at work, plug in at home, go to the gas station by work, go to the gas station by home, plug in at the mall, gas-up by the mall, no superchargers during longer trips, so gas-up frequently due to the 10 gallon (or is it 8?) tank.

Then there's the complexity. You are lugging around 2,000 parts you didn't really want to be lugging around. Is that generator built to last like real auto propulsion engines?

Put it simply: It's a pain in the ass, it is likely to require more maintenance and it is embarrassing.

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Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by mikeash on Friday September 23, 2016 @10:59AM (#12565088)

I thought the selling point of the i8 over the Tesla is that the i8 is a proper sports car with BMW handling, and for the i3 the selling point is that it's way cheaper.

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Re:Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla by XJOKOLAT on Friday September 23, 2016 @12:18PM (#12565727)

Test drove both - P90D had the i8 beat in every department except maybe looks. And even there there's an argument to be had.

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