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Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by geon on Friday September 23, 2016 @01:15AM (#12562472)
If the ads boosts sales, use them. The speciffic number seconds they are shown is irrelevant. You will have to do your own analytics anyway.
Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by ethanbond on Friday September 23, 2016 @02:20AM (#12562686)
> Duh, just solve the fundamental problem that has plagued advertising since the birth of the industry!

That's kind of why Facebook/Google was ever supposed to be valuable: they empower the analysis. How do you do good analysis with bad inputs?

Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by geon on Friday September 23, 2016 @06:34AM (#12563540)
You don't really.

But assuming the FB/Google reported numbers are accurate, would you pay for them and just convince yourself they are actually increasing your sales?

You should be able to at least plot sales numbers against ad spending per week over a year.

Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by ethanbond on Friday September 23, 2016 @08:37AM (#12564075)
Facebook also "should" be able to report numbers in a way that isn't misleading to their customers.
Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by alkjshdkfjasdf on Friday September 23, 2016 @02:41AM (#12562753)
Inputs are not good or bad, they are better or worse.

In the 1300s, feedback to the advertiser took years.

In the 1900s, months.

In the 1960s, you could now measure the effect of blanketing a MMR with ads, and see how sales there compared to nationally.

This century, you have still-imperfect, yet much better than before, attribution.

Good analysis in the 1930s was different than now. Good marketing was the same, but with cruder tools.

Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by ethanbond on Friday September 23, 2016 @02:47AM (#12562775)
Ah, classic courtroom fraud defense. "Feel fortunate you even caught me; that would've been impossible a century ago!"

Having wiggle room on numbers isn't a bad thing. Lying about the amount of wiggle room on said numbers is.

Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by madshiva on Friday September 23, 2016 @10:10AM (#12564726)
You can do the analysis that you want, there's no proof that advertising increase something. They are bad and should be banned from our live.
Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by jaxn on Friday September 23, 2016 @02:07AM (#12562636)
See my reply to the comment above. With local retail, you can't just measure the conversion rate.

It is not about the specific number of seconds. It is about the implied engagement and focus of the audience. It is about a reported difference in the behavior of Facebook users vs other online properties.

Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by geon on Friday September 23, 2016 @06:31AM (#12563533)
You never can. But are you just going to blindly spend money on ads and just believe they work?
Re:Facebook Overestimated Key Video Metric for Two Years by jaxn on Sunday September 25, 2016 @10:33PM (#12578853)
Yeah, that is basically the entire advertising industry. Precisely what "brand exposure" is.