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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by jonahrd on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:12PM (#12492284)
You may be right that it's a poor financial decision, but I still hope to one day live in a country where people can pursue education in any subject matter (not just STEM/other money makers) for the pure purpose of educational fulfillment. That can only be done with a system that helps pay for education instead of letting the market decide which degrees are most valuable in terms of pure capitalistic measures
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by stephaniepier on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:57PM (#12492606)
Well, and really I think it depends on the person rather than the degree. One of my friends majored in theater, which I'm sure many people see as a useless degree. She paid off her loans and bought a house within 3 years of graduating and owns a successful business teaching voice lessons over skype. On other other hand, I know someone who has a PhD in biochemistry who struggled to find a job for years. It's not fair to say "this degree is bad and this one is good." There are so many other factors.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by kamaal on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:27PM (#12493074)
Not exactly. If a person knows where they truly stand its easy to make life choices from there on.

Many people I know who did engineering with me in India were stuck waiting for a 'dream job' and have gone no where with their lives. People like us knew we had no special skills in engineering to wait for a magical moment of a 'dream job' to arrive and took whatever came our way. Incrementally we worked towards improving ourselves and now have near dream jobs.

The more special you think you are, lesser the options you will have. Because you would got used to thinking of many jobs as work beneath you.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by outside1234 on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:18PM (#12492357)
Let me know when you find the hole in the ground that is shooting money up into the air that enables us to have luxuries like this.

Frankly, we have thousands of other problems, highlighted by basic health care, that we should probably prioritize first.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by white-flame on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:33PM (#12492453)
Note that this is literal in some cases. Norway, being one of the major neo-socialist successes, is also a major oil exporter in the region. They have holes in the ground shooting money up that help enable social programs.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by rfrey on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @08:04PM (#12493269)
Norway does have a higher per capita GDP than the US. (55k vs 52k). But there are many countries with smaller per capita GDPs -- by a much larger difference -- that have solid social programs including free health care and subsidized education.

The situation in the US is a political choice, not a consequence of some economic law.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by friendlygrammar on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @06:55PM (#12492906)
>neo-socialist

This isn't a word and Norway isn't socialist.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by white-flame on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @11:14PM (#12503108)
You're correct, and I probably should have had big air quotes or whatever around that term.

Upthread is strong with hyperbole from an American perspective, and that "neo-" is just to distinguish having strong governmental social programs/services/safety nets (often caricatured as "socialism" from both the right and the left) from old-school destructive actual Socialism.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by the_watcher on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:03PM (#12492956)
It has a Wikipedia page, a Wiktionary page, and copious references to it by well known publications.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by friendlygrammar on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:10PM (#12492987)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neosocialism

Clearly the two "well known" publications (the most preeminent Marxist journals) listed in that wikipedia article and the fact that the wikipedia article's definition of neo socialism has absolutely nothing to do with Norways economic model point to the fact that the parent comment definitely didn't make up that word out of thin air.

Norway is not socialist, neosocialist, or whatever dumb made up "socialism" you people try to come up with.

Also something having a wiki page on any website and being used in a couple of journals does not make something a term/word. It only indicates that someone wants it to be a term/word.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by the_watcher on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:09PM (#12518040)
Disagreeing with Norway being socialist doesn't make neosocialism not a thing. Not wanting something to be a term doesn't stop it from being one.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by thatcat on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:27PM (#12493855)
It's interesting that Norway is ranked first on the democracy index, yet most Americans view it's policies as 'socialist'.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by friendlygrammar on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:57PM (#12493973)
The democracy index is bs and most Americans don't even know what the word socialist means. So what is your point because you just stated two completely unrelated facts to what is currently being discussed.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by thatcat on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:41PM (#12498767)
My point was that some core values of democracy (equality and justice) are incorrectly perceived as 'socialist' in current American linguistic usage. If this were corrected, it is much more likely that American's would support a more democratic, Norwegian governance model.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by ant6n on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:29AM (#12494241)
Fascist countries don't need people with critical thinking skills, STEM I'd the only thing that matters.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by gregatragenet3 on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @06:15PM (#12492710)
What if I want to pursue an education in driving luxury cars and sailing yachts? Is that a valid subject matter? And if not, what makes it a less valid subject matter than any other degree that costs money but does not have a clear path to recouping the investment? Who decides?
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by fzzzy on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @06:45PM (#12492860)
I'd like to sign up for "Driving Luxury Cars and Sailing Yachts 101" please. These are vital life skills I require.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by secabeen on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:23PM (#12493055)
Sure, there's plenty of work to be had in the Super-Yacht Crew industry. Don't expect to be home as much, though: https://www.luxyachts.com/crew
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by fzzzy on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @11:17PM (#12494029)
For someone who wants to see the world, that seems like a really interesting life.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by st3v3r on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:50PM (#12493199)
If you're not going to take the discussion seriously, then don't bother to comment at all.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by Hydraulix989 on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:36AM (#12494452)
One of my favorite quotes from the movie Good Will Hunting:

"See, the sad thing about a guy like you is, in 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're going to come up with the fact that ... you dropped 150 grand on a fuckin' education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!"

It's not the actual learning itself that's expensive; it's the credentials.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by wang_li on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @08:19PM (#12493345)
One day I hope to live in a world where every single person in the world can live in Malibu year round...

Unfortunately, the world isn't making new land. It's a reality of life that we live in a world of scarcity.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by zanny on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:43PM (#12493166)
You can do this right now. There are various social media groups, even local ones, about specific subjects and areas of study. You can get all the same textbooks any given college professor writes in the syllabus, you can watch recorded lectures on every chapter, and you can discuss the material with like minded knowledge seekers.

The Internet era effectively invalidates structured schooling education for the vast majority of people who do not require the rigored environment such institutions impart. For most people, reading books, watching lectures, and discussing with fellow students of the discipline (or even experts) in social media is more than sufficient to acquire a knowledge of desirable fields of study.

The only difference is, you don't get a piece of paper after doing it for four years many industries mandate you have to try to use that knowledge professionally. But if you are only in it for fulfillment, you can get that right now, without any state institution subsidizing your living and accommodations to acquire it.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by Fomite on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @01:05AM (#12494349)
Having encountered some of these people in my life, their education is often incomplete, and more dangerously, they're often unaware it's incomplete.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by flukus on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @09:47PM (#12493723)
> but I still hope to one day live in a country where people can pursue education in any subject matter (not just STEM/other money makers) for the pure purpose of educational fulfillment

Is there a country in the world where this isn't possible now?

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by madengr on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @09:04PM (#12493554)
They can; pick up a book.
Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by ourmandave on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @06:56PM (#12492909)
I know several people who have degrees that have no relation to their current "day job".

Maybe it's just having the sheepskin that matters most.

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by michaelbuddy on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:26PM (#12493851)
Library card.