Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief

Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by white-flame on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @05:33PM (#12492453)

Note that this is literal in some cases. Norway, being one of the major neo-socialist successes, is also a major oil exporter in the region. They have holes in the ground shooting money up that help enable social programs.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by rfrey on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @08:04PM (#12493269)

Norway does have a higher per capita GDP than the US. (55k vs 52k). But there are many countries with smaller per capita GDPs -- by a much larger difference -- that have solid social programs including free health care and subsidized education.

The situation in the US is a political choice, not a consequence of some economic law.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by friendlygrammar on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @06:55PM (#12492906)

>neo-socialist

This isn't a word and Norway isn't socialist.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by white-flame on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @11:14PM (#12503108)

You're correct, and I probably should have had big air quotes or whatever around that term.

Upthread is strong with hyperbole from an American perspective, and that "neo-" is just to distinguish having strong governmental social programs/services/safety nets (often caricatured as "socialism" from both the right and the left) from old-school destructive actual Socialism.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by the_watcher on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:03PM (#12492956)

It has a Wikipedia page, a Wiktionary page, and copious references to it by well known publications.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by friendlygrammar on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @07:10PM (#12492987)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neosocialism

Clearly the two "well known" publications (the most preeminent Marxist journals) listed in that wikipedia article and the fact that the wikipedia article's definition of neo socialism has absolutely nothing to do with Norways economic model point to the fact that the parent comment definitely didn't make up that word out of thin air.

Norway is not socialist, neosocialist, or whatever dumb made up "socialism" you people try to come up with.

Also something having a wiki page on any website and being used in a couple of journals does not make something a term/word. It only indicates that someone wants it to be a term/word.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by the_watcher on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:09PM (#12518040)

Disagreeing with Norway being socialist doesn't make neosocialism not a thing. Not wanting something to be a term doesn't stop it from being one.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by thatcat on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:27PM (#12493855)

It's interesting that Norway is ranked first on the democracy index, yet most Americans view it's policies as 'socialist'.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by friendlygrammar on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @10:57PM (#12493973)

The democracy index is bs and most Americans don't even know what the word socialist means. So what is your point because you just stated two completely unrelated facts to what is currently being discussed.

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Re:Soaring Student Debt Prompts Calls for Relief by thatcat on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @12:41PM (#12498767)

My point was that some core values of democracy (equality and justice) are incorrectly perceived as 'socialist' in current American linguistic usage. If this were corrected, it is much more likely that American's would support a more democratic, Norwegian governance model.

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