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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by emodendroket on Monday September 12, 2016 @11:54AM (#12480751)
Windows has its own legacy baggage and I wonder about the proposition that the mobile OSes' Unix underpinnings aren't relevant. Depends on what you're doing, I'd think.
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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Monday September 12, 2016 @01:56PM (#12482009)
Windows might have its own baggage, but with Windows 8 they have brought the original design of .NET from the ashes and assuming the current path is to maintain, those of us that like Windows will have a nice OO ABI alongside safe languages compiling to native code.

All the mobile OS relevant APIs don't have anything to do with UNIX.

All the Objective-C, Swift, Java, JavaScript, C++ APIs available on those OSes don't depend on being implemented on top of an UNIX kernel.

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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by vram22 on Monday September 12, 2016 @05:25PM (#12483828)
>alongside safe languages compiling to native code.

Which ones do you mean? F#, ..., ???

>All the Objective-C, Swift, Java, JavaScript, C++ APIs available on those OSes don't depend on being implemented on top of an UNIX kernel.

Interesting point.

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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Monday September 12, 2016 @06:03PM (#12484075)
I mean .NET Native and the lessons of Midori finding their way into C# 7+ and C++/CX, alongside with emphasis on the C++ Core Guidelines, which started at Microsoft before Bjarne got involved.
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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by emodendroket on Monday September 12, 2016 @06:37PM (#12484243)
I mean, I like C#, but that stuff seems to me to be sitting several levels above the OS anyway.
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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @01:12AM (#12485772)
Because most likely you never spent time using or learning the technical details of the OS developed at Burroughs, Xerox, ETHZ, DEC, MSR,....

Also I didn't mention just C#.

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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by emodendroket on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @08:51AM (#12487696)
I just mentioned it because I'm familiar with it and I am excited about the .NET Core stuff letting you use it in more places.
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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @04:16PM (#12491833)
Ah, then you should check Joe Duffy posts about Midori and his talk at InfoQ.
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