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Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Monday September 12, 2016 @11:04AM (#12480282)
This is what makes me focus more on Windows, macOS and the mobile OSes.

Because these systems moved beyond what plain POSIX means.

Even on Apple and Google's OSes, their UNIX underpinnings are not that relevant, because most of the user space libraries and APIs don't have anything to do with UNIX.

Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by emodendroket on Monday September 12, 2016 @11:54AM (#12480751)
Windows has its own legacy baggage and I wonder about the proposition that the mobile OSes' Unix underpinnings aren't relevant. Depends on what you're doing, I'd think.
Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Monday September 12, 2016 @01:56PM (#12482009)
Windows might have its own baggage, but with Windows 8 they have brought the original design of .NET from the ashes and assuming the current path is to maintain, those of us that like Windows will have a nice OO ABI alongside safe languages compiling to native code.

All the mobile OS relevant APIs don't have anything to do with UNIX.

All the Objective-C, Swift, Java, JavaScript, C++ APIs available on those OSes don't depend on being implemented on top of an UNIX kernel.

Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by vram22 on Monday September 12, 2016 @05:25PM (#12483828)
>alongside safe languages compiling to native code.

Which ones do you mean? F#, ..., ???

>All the Objective-C, Swift, Java, JavaScript, C++ APIs available on those OSes don't depend on being implemented on top of an UNIX kernel.

Interesting point.

Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Monday September 12, 2016 @06:03PM (#12484075)
I mean .NET Native and the lessons of Midori finding their way into C# 7+ and C++/CX, alongside with emphasis on the C++ Core Guidelines, which started at Microsoft before Bjarne got involved.
Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by emodendroket on Monday September 12, 2016 @06:37PM (#12484243)
I mean, I like C#, but that stuff seems to me to be sitting several levels above the OS anyway.
Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @01:12AM (#12485772)
Because most likely you never spent time using or learning the technical details of the OS developed at Burroughs, Xerox, ETHZ, DEC, MSR,....

Also I didn't mention just C#.

Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by emodendroket on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @08:51AM (#12487696)
I just mentioned it because I'm familiar with it and I am excited about the .NET Core stuff letting you use it in more places.
Re:Ask HN: Is web programming a series of hacks on hacks? by pjmlp on Tuesday September 13, 2016 @04:16PM (#12491833)
Ah, then you should check Joe Duffy posts about Midori and his talk at InfoQ.