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Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by ekidd on Sunday September 11, 2016 @02:45PM (#12474914)
"Safe" Rust works for almost everything in a typical CS curriculum.

But if you want to teach an operating systems course or build cyclic, pointer-based data structures, you'll usually need a modest amount of "unsafe" Rust. Using "unsafe" gives you access to real pointers, which work just like they do in any systems language.

It's just that Rust chooses to lock those features away when you don't explicitly ask for them. If you actually need "unsafe", it's no more dangerous or more difficult than writing C code.

Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by jblow on Sunday September 11, 2016 @04:59PM (#12475698)
Where did you learn CS that they didn't have lots of cyclic data structures? We had those even in our intro class at Berkeley...
Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by coldtea on Sunday September 11, 2016 @06:12PM (#12476012)
I a few universities I know, including my own, cyclic data structures are on the curriculum, but nowhere near being taught as basic or intro stuff. That would lists, queues, trees, and hash-maps.
Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by desdiv on Sunday September 11, 2016 @06:38PM (#12476095)
The regular LinkedList in Java is implemented as a doubly linked list, which is cyclic.
Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by pjmlp on Monday September 12, 2016 @02:52AM (#12477705)
When I took my degree we had one full year of data structures, Data Structures and Algorithms I & II, but they were taught on the third year (our degrees are 5 years).
Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by topspin on Monday September 12, 2016 @01:33AM (#12477404)
It occurs to me that these courses have been teaching what might (should?) be considered a naive view of memory; you show me a traditional cyclic data structure and I'll show you a concurrency bug. I suppose that's fine in 1978 when no one imagined they'd be dealing with multi-core microcontrollers, but today, when you find yourself using a "systems" language for non-toy work and you reach for a tool as sharp as a raw pointer, those naive data structures are frequently (usually?) inadequate.
Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by SamReidHughes on Monday September 12, 2016 @04:36AM (#12478062)
Cyclic data structures are in my experience very useful for concurrency. It's probably the number three good excuse for using a linked list, when you want to hold a lock for O(1) time with no shenanigans. But also, generally, anything that involves communicating information from point A to point B, and waiting on that information, involves some sort of cyclic reference between the sender and listener.
Re:Why I’m dropping Rust by jblow on Monday September 12, 2016 @10:53AM (#12480158)
I have to completely disagree ... What are you even talking about? The inability to have circular links is deeply hobbling; they arise naturally in all kinds of circumstances.