Why Ruby is an acceptable Lisp (2005)

Re:Why Ruby is an acceptable Lisp (2005) by qwertyuiop924 on Saturday September 10, 2016 @05:58PM (#12471055)

I don't have the love of CL development environments you do, but yeah, as a schemer, ruby's perf is kind of awful. We've got AOT, JIT, bytecode, and literally decades of research spend making these languages fast, and Ruby doesn't have that, or the hot code loading and quick iteration cycle that makes Lisp/Scheme realtime development so deliciously sweet.

To say nothing of our macro superpowers. But then, CLers still insist on on keeping the shotgun hovering over their foot, and insisting it's the only way to go about writing macros. Syntactic Closures and Implicit Renaming are both pretty cool. You guys should check them out.

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Re:Why Ruby is an acceptable Lisp (2005) by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @06:10PM (#12471093)

I hardly have used Lisp besides Emacs Lisp and Clojure, but as a language geek I do have my collection of Lisp related stuff, mainly Xerox PARC, Lisp Machines and commercial CL environments.

Scheme also has environments like DrRaket, even if the language now has moved beyond its Scheme origins.

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Re:Why Ruby is an acceptable Lisp (2005) by qwertyuiop924 on Saturday September 10, 2016 @06:33PM (#12471167)

I don't know how you got a lispm, but nice for you :-).

I was confusing you with Rainer (who, by coincedence, goes by the username lispm on HN), who actually loves CL environments.

As for me, I set my store by Geiser. Integrated documentation from all the implmentations it supports, repl (as well as the capability to connect to a remote one), support for all three big Schemes, is an emacs extension, and has excellent docs? Consider me sold.

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Re:Why Ruby is an acceptable Lisp (2005) by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @07:17PM (#12471329)

I wish.

I meant in what concerns papers, videos and magazines articles back from those days.

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Re:Why Ruby is an acceptable Lisp (2005) by qwertyuiop924 on Saturday September 10, 2016 @07:24PM (#12471351)

...Ah. Yeah, I wish I had a lispm too, but I don't even have the more pedestrian antiques.

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