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Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by CapitalistCartr on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:17PM (#12469829)
No one owes an abusive person anything. Helping them to continue evil games isn't beneficial to anyone. Family should be held to at least the same standard as friends. As far as I'm concerned, anyone playing the family card gets minus three on the dice roll.
Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by wvh on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:36PM (#12469910)
Rationally I'd have to agree, but emotionally is a whole other ballpark. You have to be able to have peace with yourself, to have done at least that which you yourself think is the absolute minimum to be a "good person" and look yourself in the eye when you stand in front of the mirror. It doesn't matter what the other person did; you have to find peace both with your own actions and with what has been done to you, which is very much a personal dilemma and balancing act.

Life is hard; she probably did the best she could when dealt a less than enviable hand early in life.

Not my usual reading material, but a good read nevertheless.

Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by rustynails on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:53PM (#12469973)
Your comment makes a lot of sense.

A friend of mine, now over 50, still struggles with his mother's rejection throughout his childhood. He and his siblings have confirmed stories of malice (bleeding after being beaten by his mother with a whip, euthanising a much loved pet out of spite, etc).

Despite enduring years of torment, he still seeks his mother's affection. She died a long time ago and he never came to terms with the loss or the lack of love or the malice his mother frequently demonstrated.

It leaves me with a feeling of deep sadness when I see how cruel some parents are to their own children. It also leaves me even sadder when excuses are made for some of these abusers (she must have suffered depression, poor woman).

Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by wvh on Saturday September 10, 2016 @06:45PM (#12471218)
Some needs are so deeply wired into us – like the need to be loved, especially by our parents – that no matter how hard we rationalise and fight our emotions, we will always want to fill that gap one way or another. It is especially heartbreaking in the case of abuse or otherwise failed parenting, because the one person who had to love and protect you unconditionally, didn't. Overcoming the "why" in that question is probably a lifelong struggle with(in) oneself.
Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by Intermernet on Saturday September 10, 2016 @01:42PM (#12470204)
The human instinct in me agrees completely.

Having said that, as someone who is both an atheist, and someone who has had family members killed by another person, I have had both the time, and the rare circumstance to think about this a lot.

I've become aware of the fact that we need to forgive, despite whatever has wronged us. This is the only possible way to prevent the cycle of hate breeding hate.

I know it sounds like a defeatist point of view, but it's actually a multi-generational view. It's also a view of acceptance, and one that holds that no matter what has been done to you, you will hold true to the tenet of forgiveness.

Possibly the most important thing for humans of the modern age to realize is that life deals you a random hand. Any actions that perpetuate this unfairness to the next generation or beyond are wrong, despite how right they may feel.

This is probably the only path that conscious evolution can take that doesn't continue the current cycle of hatred breeding hatred.

Sorry to sound like a hippy, but it took me over a decade to arrive at this conclusion after a whole lot of nasty stuff happening. Hopefully you will never need to go through that process, and will take my viewpoint as a valid piece of anecdata.

TL;DR: despite what other people do to you, it's in the best interests of humanity if you show forgiveness, but do all you can that it never happens to another person.

Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by wruza on Saturday September 10, 2016 @02:07PM (#12470274)
I've read a wikipedia article about gaming theories and robots that play games, and there was a fact: forgiving programs win. But overforgiving lose. Forgive randomly about 5-10%, that's enough to not enter 'hate cycle'. All others must be prosecuted.

As a generally calm person I think it is enough to just freeze your hate and forget about it until [maybe never happening] moment, when you'll bring revenge while losing nothing. Forgiveness is for you to go through it, not to let them go.

Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by Intermernet on Saturday September 10, 2016 @02:19PM (#12470302)
Yes, this is where the other shoe drops. We somehow need to trust that the "rules" our society has agreed on for punishment of breaking societal norms are adequate to prevent people from breaking the rules more than once.

We then enter into the realms of how to deal with perpetrators. Isolation vs. rehabilitation vs. eradication.

I prefer rehabilitation over isolation, and both over eradication.

This is one of the roles of government, and thus we enter a whole new world of discussion.

Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by xupybd on Sunday September 11, 2016 @05:43AM (#12472655)
Forgiveness also allows you to let go of the hurt. If you hold on to the anger it feels like you're still being wronged but if you can find a way to forgive ( easier said than done ) it ends the matter.

People don't often deserve to be forgiven but the victim deserves to move on and through some weird irony of human psychology that often requires forgiving someone who has no right to be forgiven.

Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by 888uuii on Saturday September 10, 2016 @08:22PM (#12471499)
Well, we all owe an abusive person a chance at rehabilitation. Speaking rationally, morally, and ethically.
Re:When does a daughter's duty end? by x0x0 on Saturday September 10, 2016 @10:40PM (#12471794)
society, maybe

the people he or she has abused? nope