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Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by alimbada on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:23AM (#12429290)
They're all full of hot air until they actually deliver a real EV that can compete with the Model S. I saw an article on a Mercedes-Maybach EV concept car the other week which made me roll my eyes. I've always felt concept cars are a silly idea; a waste of talent and resources. Why can't they spend that on creating a real car and delivering it instead?
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by ThePhysicist on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:29AM (#12429310)
Does the BMW i series not qualify as real EV?

http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/bmwi

The range is a little less than what Tesla offers (150 miles), but here in Berlin I see quite a few of them on the road already. Mercedes has a similar model btw:

http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/germany/mpc/mpc_germany_...

They probably don't get hyped as much as Tesla, but they seem pretty real to me nevertheless.

Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by robterrell on Monday September 05, 2016 @11:09AM (#12430703)
Neither of those cars get 150 miles of range. They're both squarely in the under-100 miles category. The BMW only reaches 150 if you get the "range extender," i.e. a motorcycle engine in the trunk that charges the battery. The MB has a "extended charge" mode where you get get a little over a 100 miles, at the expense of using some of the battery overprovisioning.

Also, humorously, that Mercedes B-Class you linked to is, under the body, a Tesla frame and propulsion system. They're buying from Tesla because they don't have their own technology yet. Tesla only sells them 30-something kilowatt battery packs, though.

Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by kuschku on Monday September 05, 2016 @11:18AM (#12430753)
> They're buying from Tesla because they don't have their own technology yet. Tesla only sells them 30-something kilowatt battery packs, though.

No, they’re buying from Tesla because they invested heavily in Tesla in return for being able to use that IP later on.

Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by nl on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:29AM (#12429318)
Of course it does. It is even mentioned in the article.
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by ff10 on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:32AM (#12429326)
Because concept cars are combining efforts into a prototype to test those concepts with. Also, to get a reaction of press and potential customers. Concepts very often contain elements which are adopted by later production models and pointing the way ahead for a whole brand in terms of design language, automotive philosophy and technological advancements. It is far from a waste of talent and resources. Actually, it is necessary for top automakers to stay ahead of the game.
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by vocatus_gate on Monday September 05, 2016 @02:51PM (#12431717)
Concept cars are similar to haute couture in fashion. Somewhat far-fetched and sometimes ridiculous, but they're a way to communicate and test concepts and ideas, as well as give a sense of direction and vision. Not a waste of time at all.
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by jsnell on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:36AM (#12429343)
Because concept cars are actually pretty cheap, and could even be paid from a marketing rather than engineering budget. Creating a new "real" car to the point where it can actually be manufactured, serviced and sold efficiently is incredibly expensive. It's probably at least a 1000x difference in cost.
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by randomnames on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:30AM (#12429321)
Right, because Tesla announces cars, it delivers years later (and always too late)?
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by perbu on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:45AM (#12429382)
One thing is the actual car. I think at least BMW should now know how to build a proper EV. But that still doesn't mean people will buy it. It would need a charging network that can help people out when traveling long distances. Tesla has the supercharger network - no other network can come anywhere near it when it comes to performance and coverage.
Re:Tesla envy grips Germany’s giants by martinko on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:42AM (#12429368)
It gives direction to new designs within the brand, many design aspects from concept cars are used in one way or another in production later on.