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Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by antisthenes on Friday September 02, 2016 @02:39PM (#12415200)
Unless every desirable city introduces this tax uniformly, doesn't this just shift the burden from Vancouver onto other cities?
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by r00fus on Friday September 02, 2016 @02:47PM (#12415267)
This is why it should go viral. Wealthy individuals/ buying houses in droves to sit empty does not benefit anyone in the long run.

What happens when the bubble pops?

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by jonknee on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:09PM (#12415436)
I think they should be allowed to buy the homes, but then face stiff property taxes (with a homestead exemption for actual residents). The property taxes on Billionaire's Row in NYC are often absurdly low:

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/05/why-billionaires-dont...

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by tezza on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:33PM (#12415640)
They will pay pensioners to live there 'on paper' to meet your homestead requirement.

The whole tax penalty is thwarted that way

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by slavik81 on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:10PM (#12415905)
Right now I'm paying rent like a sucker when I could be paid to live here instead? Sounds good to me.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by notfromhere on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:47PM (#12415761)
At least they'll be occupied that way. Maybe they can even have whole families move in there, with some sort of agreement that they receive a monthly payment in exchange.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by msh on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:53PM (#12415796)
If you realitet the oner to live there and pay property taxes is quite risky to use a straw man.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by bradleyjg on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:52PM (#12415789)
Happily the 421-a exemption program referenced in that article was allowed to expire. Not because of a consensus that it was a bad idea (which it was) but because of a pissing match between the governor and the mayor. We have to take our victories where we can get them; hopefully they'll continue fighting forever.

We still have structural problems in the city property tax code -- for example condo and co-op buildings have to be taxed as if they were rental buildings, a complex calculation that generally undervalues them. But if and when those are fixed, I think full property taxes are would be enough. I don't see the need for a punitive rate on top of that. At least not in NYC, other cities may have a bigger problem with absentee owners.

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by keithpeter on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:14PM (#12415482)
What happens until the bubble pops I think is the question. To quote the OA...

"In the evenings an eerie stillness settles on [the area]. That’s because these new owners are so rich in both money and global property that their London addresses frequently sit empty, functioning more as dust-sheeted deposit boxes rather than actual homes."

This is not why we have cities. We have cities to allow interaction. Look where the artists, musicians and marginal people are going, for they are the new thing. Hint: it isn't London.

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by monknomo on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:35PM (#12415663)
I see similar comments on all of these articles and I am really curious which UK/USA/Canada cities that artists and musicians and the like go to.

I'm going to throw out Nashville as a thought for musicians, and maybe Pittsburgh for tinkerers.

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by TheOtherHobbes on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:25PM (#12416016)
UK artists are heading to Berlin, Paris, Barcelona and Warsaw - at least they were, until Brexit.

Now there's some interest in the cheaper seaside towns - Margate, even Bournemouth.

Brighton used to be on that list but it's almost as expensive as London now. Likewise Bath and Bristol. (Not seaside towns, but a big arts scene in the 60s and 70s, now very much gentrified.)

I suspect if people can't get out they'll head West and North. Parts of the West Country are almost affordable. Parts of the North are very affordable, but they're still in the dilapidation phase and don't seem to be in danger of becoming cool yet.

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by monknomo on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:43PM (#12416129)
It's tough to figure what pulls a place out of the dilapidation phase. I've heard people say a microbrewery is a good harbinger. I have this unformed suspicion that a hipstery cheap-fancy restaurant can do it, or the "right" art gallery
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by PieterH on Friday September 02, 2016 @06:42PM (#12416786)
My area of Brussels has been slowly pulling itself out of dilapidation for decades. The signs are e. g. new bars and shops that don't close after six months, and of course the inevitable loftification of older buildings. There is no single event. It takes masses of people to move, invest, and thrive.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by sparklesunshine on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:19PM (#12416359)
Yes you are right about Margate. It's becoming really popular with artists and artisan craftsman. I don't live there but I can see the growth as more people are moving there from London.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by s_q_b on Friday September 02, 2016 @07:42PM (#12416993)
Nashville, Austin, and Boulder are peaking or have peaked. Tech in Philadelphia is right at the tipping point. To skate to where the puck is going, look to the Rust Belt.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by pjc50 on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:18PM (#12415517)
Where is it today? I hear Liverpool is having a bit of a renaissance.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by keithpeter on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:37PM (#12415680)
Jamaica Street, up as far as Camp and Furnace, but I hear that the end nearer town is being gentrified. And classical musicians and fine artists are heading to Berlin where it is still possible to rent a (effing) flat.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by gwbas1c on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:32PM (#12415626)
The bubble will be forcefully burst when homeless people start squatting; or pranksters vandalize them.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by keithpeter on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:39PM (#12415700)
Sure, the bubble bursting I have no problem with: rich people take a haircut and premises are repurposed. I walk through Digbeth in Birmingham most days: Early Victorian housing that is now car scrap yards and workshops. It all gets recycled.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by alimw on Saturday September 03, 2016 @08:37AM (#12418968)
Anyone who's bought recently with a full mortgage will experience a burst bubble not as a haircut but as a plummet into negative equity. I suppose you could argue that they took on the risk, and other such risk-takers have made big profits. Personally I think it's crazy that individuals are expected to make these huge gambles. But people don't seem to take seriously my suggestion of nationalising land ownership...
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:01PM (#12416264)
While I understand and agree with the sentiment of your comment...

The idea of a tax virus sounds terrifying!

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by hx87 on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:03PM (#12415392)
Other cities are welcome to more affordable housing and extra tax revenue by introducing the same tax. Win-win for everyone except wealthy foreign buyers, no?
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by Grishnakh on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:29PM (#12415609)
Yes. Assuming the tax actually works as expected (it's probably too soon to tell now), the burden will be shifted onto other cities that are too stupid or dysfunctional to enact the same tax.

I don't see a problem here. The problem will correct itself eventually, with regular citydwellers all moving to cities smart enough to enact these laws, and abandoning cities like London that become completely unaffordable. Eventually the latter cities will collapse, and these wealthy foreigners' properties will be worthless, like all the $100 houses in Detroit.

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by mabbo on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:38PM (#12415684)
My condo is Toronto is going up in value pretty quickly. I'm still 100% opposed to the Vancouver tax, but in theory it's making my assets increase in value.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by PhasmaFelis on Friday September 02, 2016 @02:58PM (#12415352)
It does. Should Vancouver not act to protect its own citizens to the best of its ability, then?
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by mabbo on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:39PM (#12415695)
The same logic works for all Protectionist legislation. Yet free trade has lowered the costs of nearly every good in our lives.
Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by billmalarky on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:34PM (#12416072)
Free trade maximizes GDP at the cost of further wealth inequality within the closed system of a nation.

There's a tipping point coming fairly soon where voters will logically prefer the short term benefits of protectionism vs additional inequality.

If capitalists want to continue down the path of free trade, they better be prepared to redistribute the additional wealth generated. That or find a way to disenfranchise a whole lot of pissed off citizens.

Re:Even the Rich Are Being Priced Out of Central London by neffy on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:32PM (#12416429)
No it hasn't really.

Technological development has lowered the costs and availability of most things in our lives. If you look at the actual practices of governments and individuals over the last few centuries you won't find much truly free trade. You'll find all kinds of protectionism, exploits of positional control over markets, currency flows (I'm looking at you China), and the occasional super-power deciding to to have a war on ... well slavery was the one that mostly worked.

But free trade? Well, most countries agree that they should be allowed to freely export whatever they want... imports are another matter of course.