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Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by peterjlee on Friday September 02, 2016 @02:34AM (#12411277)
First thing that came into mind when I heard about project Ara was that, laptops aren't modular because the increased size and weight will out weigh the benefits. Seemed like the same situation applies to smartphones, only worse.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by fnord123 on Friday September 02, 2016 @07:28AM (#12412265)
They used to be modular until companies started to follow Apple down the current path. I had a Dell Inspiron with removable battery, removable DVD drive, and PCMCIA slot for modular functionality.

Now we have come somewhat full circle with Apple's Macbook which has meagre hardware functionality and relies on USB-C to provide the missing functionality in a modular fashion. However it means a nest of cables so it's probably not what anyone wants when they want a modular laptop.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by rayiner on Friday September 02, 2016 @11:16AM (#12413570)
> They used to be modular until companies started to follow Apple down the current path. I had a Dell Inspiron with removable battery, removable DVD drive, and PCMCIA slot for modular functionality.

And how much did it weigh? Laptops have come a long way since even just 10 years ago. My rMBP is almost a pound lighter than my original Macbook, despite having a 15.4" versus 13.3" screen, a quad core versus dual-core processor, and a 96 watt-hour battery versus a 55 watt-hour battery.

And even if I was willing to cart around that extra 0.8 pounds, I wouldn't want to spend that extra weight budget on increased modularity. I'd much rather they, say, push the battery life to 14-15 hours instead.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by fnord123 on Saturday September 03, 2016 @06:36PM (#12421588)
Sure. For me the most important concern of a laptop is mass. Then screen resolution. rMBP is a good choice if you rank these two criteria as highly as I do.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by DarkUranium on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:40AM (#12412950)
You still have modular laptops. For example, for a Clevo W230SS (known as "Sager NP7338" in some parts), you can choose the display (1080p or 2560x1440 matte IPS, or 3200x1600 glossy), CPU, up to two hard drives (or was it three? Can't recall), W-Lan module, keyboard layout, RAM amount+brand+frequency et cetera. For its bigger brother (which is 17.1'', as opposed to the 13.3'' W230SS), you can also select the optical drive (different brands of DVD and Blu-Ray R-only or R/W drives --- the 13.3'' variant is too small to fit one).

The battery is swappable, and the whole thing opens with a set of phillips (you know, the '+' shape) screws.

Although you can't choose the GPU when ordering, newer ones tend to have newer models, implying that's also modular (just fixed to a selection of one at a given time).

So, yeah --- you can get a modular laptop, but you have to know where to look.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by delecti on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:06AM (#12412710)
Realistically your Dell Inspiron was only slightly more modular than most early Android phones. Battery and external storage were swappable, but the bulk of the remainder was all integrated.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by rsync on Friday September 02, 2016 @01:00PM (#12414444)
"They used to be modular until companies started to follow Apple down the current path. I had a Dell Inspiron with removable battery, removable DVD drive, and PCMCIA slot for modular functionality."

PCMCIA was so great. In my entire experience of computing and consumer electronics, I think PCMCIA is still my favorite technology. I miss it a lot.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by muninn_ on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:16AM (#12412774)
What do you mean by "meagre hardware functionality" ?
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by marcosdumay on Friday September 02, 2016 @12:20PM (#12414103)
At my current (Dell) laptop I can change RAM, DVD, HD and battery. Seems to be the perfect point between a modular and an integrated designs.

There's no point adding any extra module, people do not upgrade anything besides RAM, and everything that wears off is included.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by pjmlp on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:29AM (#12412546)
Apple has driven the market back to the days of 8 and 16 bit computers.

The PC was the outlier that allowed for easy expansion.

Now we have USB instead of Amiga expansion bays, that required a table with big enough width. Instead we scatter cables and hubs.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by djsumdog on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:22AM (#12412812)
I remember the old mid-2000 MacBooks. I had one with an easily accessible hard drive and ram right under the replaceable battery (which I did have to replace once too).

People forget Apple was sued, and lost, in the 1990s for telling people to buy new iPods instead of selling replacement batteries. They started moving to user serviceable stuff briefly, but then went back to their own ways and people haven't challenged them since.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by Jtsummers on Friday September 02, 2016 @10:32AM (#12413273)
Re iPod:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#iPod_bat...

It was the 2000s, 2005 was the settlement date, iPods didn't exist in the 1990s. They didn't lose, strictly speaking, they settled (which is not the same as admitting fault). Settling lets them save face, even if they may not have had a liability, by not dragging their name through the muck with regards to the poor performance of the batteries and iPods.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by eric_h on Friday September 02, 2016 @11:57AM (#12413896)
I believe Apple offers battery replacement programs for most (if not all) of their products now.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by mmastrac on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:20AM (#12412493)
I had the same thing. Sure it was bulky, heavy plastic at the time, but it never had the investment to evolve into something more efficient.

We didn't have to go down the road to soldering all the bits to a tiny motherboard, but Apple's vision of "small and light at all costs", including performance and battery life, killed all the other paths for the foreseeable future.

I might investigate EOMA68 stuff, though it is likely years before it'll be viable, if ever (especially given their anti-intel sentiment): http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by rayiner on Friday September 02, 2016 @11:19AM (#12413597)
> including performance and battery life

Apple is the only vendor that has a 15" laptop with high-res screen and quad-core processor that gets 8+ hours of battery life. The only laptops with greater battery capacity than the Macbook Pros are the Thinkpads with extended batteries that stick out of the machine.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by colechristensen on Friday September 02, 2016 @02:43AM (#12411320)
Some people are obsessed with weight/thickness in mobile devices, but not as many as the manufacturers think there are. "modular" really comes down to "repairable" which means extra engineering would have to go in to the fact that you couldn't just glue most pieces together.

It _would_ add a little size/mass overhead, but it wouldn't have to add a lot. It would just cut in to bottom lines to build and maintain a consistent form factor. Allowing people to replace parts means they'll be buying fewer new units. My last two laptop purchases were definitely due to a hypothetically fixable problem in an unrepairable form factor.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by lewisl9029 on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:38AM (#12411533)
I also wouldn't mind slightly thicker phones, but not necessarily for modularity. I just want to see phones that can be dropped flat on their faces on a concrete sidewalk and still remain in usable condition (i.e. no shattered screen).

Making the screen completely modular would be one way to achieve this, since you can just replace the screen with a new one if the old one breaks in a drop. But it can be achieved much more easily and cheaply by simply slightly recessing the screen (or by slightly raising everything around the screen) so the glass never has to make direct contact with concrete in the event of a drop.

This is how bumper cases work, and my $3 bumper case has saved my $400 phone enough times that I'd never use a new phone without one. That said, I really wish this kind of resilience was built into the phone itself, so I'd never have to have to cover up the nice design and great feeling materials on my phone with a cheap, bulky, hideous case.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by intoverflow2 on Friday September 02, 2016 @07:16AM (#12412221)
> Making the screen completely modular would be one way to achieve this, since you can just replace the screen with a new one if the old one breaks in a drop

iPhone 4/4S did this just fine, undo two screws and the glass comes right off ready to be replaced for like $10.

iPhone 5> they started fusing the glass to the sensor IIRC so this became far more expensive/cumbersome

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by JulianMorrison on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:36AM (#12411905)
Ruggedized phones exist. They look like childproof rubber bricks, but they exist.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by marcosdumay on Friday September 02, 2016 @12:28PM (#12414187)
Slightly recessing the screen may not be enough. It's certainly not enough for asphalt. You'll need several millimeters of distance, and are probably much better by just placing some protective screen above it (although that increases the chance of something getting damaged - it'll just be the protective screen instead of the real one).

I've had good luck in choosing phones with cases just elastic enough to break a bit while protecting the screen (even without any kind of cover). But I never brought into the hard-case movement by Apple.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by eloisant on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:18AM (#12411865)
Then just buy a case with a nice design. Buy a $20 case instead of a $3 bumper.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by lewisl9029 on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:33AM (#12411898)
Using a separate case still adds a lot more bulk than would be necessary if the protective layer was built into the phone itself. This is just yet another example of the unavoidable cost of modularity that people have been bringing up everywhere in this thread. And even the nicest and most expensive cases I've tried have never really been able to compare with my actual phone in terms of quality of material and design.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by emodendroket on Friday September 02, 2016 @10:45AM (#12413347)
Yeah, absolutely. You can't buy a high-quality one if you want to.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by jschwartzi on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:00AM (#12412400)
My original Galaxy S was built like this. The screen was recessed slightly into the bezel.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by SamReidHughes on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:52AM (#12411785)
You could instead just make phones be cheap enough that you don't mind dropping them.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by mosselman on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:05AM (#12411827)
That's the American spirit!
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by pjc50 on Friday September 02, 2016 @07:09AM (#12412188)
> "modular" really comes down to "repairable" which means extra engineering would have to go in to the fact that you couldn't just glue most pieces together.

I think those are quite different: a phone that screws/clips together where you can replace a damaged screen is a very different prospect from one made of pluggable blocks.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by coldtea on Friday September 02, 2016 @06:35AM (#12412088)
>Some people are obsessed with weight/thickness in mobile devices, but not as many as the manufacturers think there are. "

That's not what sales numbers say. People repeatedly buy the thinner/lighter models (which also seem more "advanced to then") over heavier alternatives.

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by intoverflow2 on Friday September 02, 2016 @07:17AM (#12412226)
But often you don't even have the option for a thicker model... So how can anyone even claim that?
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by coldtea on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:42AM (#12412963)
From the times that you do have it.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by colechristensen on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:07PM (#12416294)
This could easily be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Focus most of your efforts putting the good stuff into the thin phones and then run the numbers how everyone is buying thin phones!

Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by kobayashi on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:03AM (#12411634)
I'm not sure if your assertions are true, but I passionately want them to be so.
Re:Google shelves plan for phone with interchangeable parts by nix0n on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:36AM (#12412925)
Laptops are less modular than desktops but way more modular than phones. HDDs, SSDs, and RAM can generally be upgraded, whereas in phones only the SD card can be upgraded. (In both, batteries and screens can be replaced with OEM parts.)