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Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by genkimind on Thursday September 01, 2016 @07:58PM (#12409753)
This is a real problem.

My wife had been having extreme stomach pain for months, multiple trips to the emergency room, gastroenterologist, nothing could be found. She described that she felt that there was a hole in her stomach, the doctors called it stress.

On her final ER visit (two months after the pain began), something showed up in the CT scan (the 3rd one). Embedded in her belly fat was a wire. Everything clicked and I realized we had had steak on the grill the day that the problems started. She went into surgery and had the grill brush wire removed.

The wire had poked a hole in her stomach, and somehow worked its way out through the abdominal muscles into her belly fat. We are grateful that it exited that way, instead of into another major organ.

Beware.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by tptacek on Thursday September 01, 2016 @09:45PM (#12410237)
Fuck this I'm done with brushes.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by nsxwolf on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:57PM (#12410515)
I've never ingested one, but I've spotted and removed bristles on my grills several times. I stopped using them awhile ago. It's only a matter of time before someone swallows one.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by dsmolovich on Friday September 02, 2016 @02:37AM (#12411295)
The more grill is heat, the higher chance wires come off the melting plastic. I've also noticed this before. Since then I was preheating the grill a bit, shut down the fire, clean up with the brush, heat and cook.

I'll probably go with the Argentinian circus people way of cleaning the grill starting from now.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by nsxwolf on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:56PM (#12416568)
I already do something similar, with a ball of aluminum foil soaked in water and tongs. I will switch to the "Argentinian circus people way" of doing it, and will call it that, and tell all my guests that's what it's called, forever.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by iLoch on Thursday September 01, 2016 @09:53PM (#12410259)
I'm done with doctors. Stress? Give me a break.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by ptaipale on Friday September 02, 2016 @01:52AM (#12411132)
That is not a very reasonable outburst. Stress does give similar symptoms to some people. The doctors had clearly tried according to best procedure, but it is a matter of luck whether something like a small bristle is visible in a cat scan. Regular x-ray, not possible.

And if the doctors make you go through dozens of cat scans, you'll probably make a noise about them making unnecessary expensive examinations.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by peeters on Friday September 02, 2016 @01:00AM (#12410949)
I think that's a bit unfair. If they went to the point of two CT scans (which showed nothing), it's not like they were being dismissive. They were probably trying to give the best diagnosis they could with the evidence available.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by bobwaycott on Friday September 02, 2016 @01:21AM (#12411017)
I'm not one to typically experience much stress, but it sure sounds like a dubious explanation for the symptoms.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by ookdatnog on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:18PM (#12415518)
I'm sure we can all appreciate how hard it can be to diagnose an issue in a piece of modern technology like a car or a piece of software.

A doctor's job is diagnosing (often very vaguely described) problems in a living body, a structure which is vastly more complex than any technology we've ever produced, and they can't just shut it down and take it apart either.

It shouldn't surprise anybody that many diagnoses are going to be wrong. That doesn't mean they are useless. They just have to be right often enough so that your odds of finding a beneficial treatment for your ailment improve when you seek their aid. And I think that is the case.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by nitrogen on Friday September 02, 2016 @03:56PM (#12415818)
Some doctors are downright dismissive and lazy, though (as with software developers). So try more than one doctor, I guess.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by dghughes on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:08PM (#12410329)
>Stress? Give me a break.

I think that's the point.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by afterburner on Friday September 02, 2016 @05:43AM (#12411923)
Abdominal pain is notoriously hard to diagnose. Always get a second opinion if it's serious.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by criddell on Saturday September 03, 2016 @01:28PM (#12420081)
Doctors seem to be unwilling to admit that they don't know something.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by vsl on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:41AM (#12429360)
True enough. Doctors unafraid to admit not knowing something inevitably impress me the most (to the point of staying their patient even after moving to the other side of the city):

* A young GP who pulled out a medical book in front of me to consult it.

* My dentist who told me he’ll perform the extraction if I want him to, but that his colleague specializes in it and will do a better job.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by kaiserama on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:38AM (#12412940)
I just saw this at my state fair. I think I'll be getting one now:

https://www.amazon.com/Woody-Paddle-Natural-Scraper-Scrape/d...

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by loco5niner on Friday September 02, 2016 @12:49PM (#12414370)
They have these at my local Costco. Been thinking about it for a while, but I decided to just make my own with an old piece of fence.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by joezydeco on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:39PM (#12410444)
I have a nylon brush that works great, it's designed to be used when the grill is cold.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by ptaipale on Friday September 02, 2016 @04:36AM (#12411739)
I use a metal scraper (no metal bristles) with extreme heat, plus a traditional root brush where the bristles are made of plant roots (as of old crowberry, nowadays commonly rice root). Root brush doesn't tolerate as much heat as metal bristles but more than nylon.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by g10r on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:24PM (#12410394)
Glad your wife is ok. I dated a girl once who had a similar experience when she was younger. Her family thought she was complaining about nothing and eventually received treatment.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by rocky1138 on Thursday September 01, 2016 @08:05PM (#12409783)
By the time it reached her belly fat, was the pain any less?
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by genkimind on Friday September 02, 2016 @12:32PM (#12414228)
The pain transformed from "there's a hole in my stomach" to "I have a painful lump under my belly button". It was easy to miss, and initially the doctors were just like "Oh it's your belly button". But then one doctor took a closer look with the CT scan and BAM.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by shultays on Friday September 02, 2016 @08:11AM (#12412449)
Isn't a metal wire highly visible in x-ray? How doctors miss that?
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by balabaster on Friday September 02, 2016 @09:27AM (#12412845)
Also, aren't BBQ bristle brushes magnetic? Wouldn't a simple magnet over the spot have exacerbated the pain and triggered a closer look?

Not that you'd have known to use a magnet to test it, but now it's certainly something that could be considered on a checklist of cheap/free things to check before more expensive/time consuming/invasive procedures are initiated.

Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by drauh on Saturday September 03, 2016 @04:26PM (#12421014)
Bristles are brass (alloy of copper and zinc; corrosion resistant, food-safe), and not magnetic.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by Zpalmtree on Saturday September 03, 2016 @05:29PM (#12421305)
If they were magnetic, a CAT scan would rip it out I imagine
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by genkimind on Friday September 02, 2016 @12:33PM (#12414244)
The only xray given were CT scans. How it was missed I don't know. It could have to do with the orientation of the wire.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by skyrw on Thursday September 01, 2016 @09:25PM (#12410143)
Well, now I'm thoroughly terrified of BBQ.
Re:Canadian surgeons urge people to throw out bristle BBQ br... by alexissantos on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:46PM (#12410698)
You and me both. Yeesh!