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Re:The king of smokers by JadeNB on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:41AM (#12405548)
> when I point out that inhaling smoke of any sort is bad for you at some level, I get a LOT of pushback for a claim that seems self-evident.

I don't argue this claim—I don't have any evidence either way—but nor do I regard it as self-evident. An honest, not rhetorical or leading, question: why should inhaling smoke be bad when inhaling, say, ordinary air isn't? Is it the heat? Particulates?

EDIT: Thanks for the excellent responses! (The detailed discussions below are far more interesting than my question, I think.) To be clear (since I am "submitting too fast" to reply to comments below), lest I sound like some kind of denier, when I say "I don't have any evidence either way", I mean literally that—just that I haven't bothered to get any, not that there isn't any.

Re:The king of smokers by dpark on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:13AM (#12405871)
> An honest, not rhetorical or leading, question: why should inhaling smoke be bad when inhaling, say, ordinary air isn't? Is it the heat? Particulates?

"Ordinary air" is bad for your lungs when it's full of dust, soot, or other particulates. Smog is bad for you. So is smoke. So is pretty much anything else you might breath that includes particulates. Your lungs can handle it in small amounts but it's never good for them and long term exposure can be really bad for them.

The heat probably isn't great for your lungs either. But I doubt it's a significant factor.

Re:The king of smokers by nilkn on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:42AM (#12406174)
Lots of ordinary air is bad for you, actually. Here's a good piece of underlying research:

http://berkeleyearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/China-Ai...

From this, various writers have attempted to make some extrapolations along the lines of "one day in Beijing is equivalent to smoking X cigarettes", where X ranges from 1/6 to 40. There are compelling arguments for both 1/6 and 40, despite those numbers seeming so different. Generally, the 1/6 figure comes from measuring the exact volume of dangerous substances inhaled, and the 40 figure comes from the premise that air pollution is significantly more damaging than tar from cigarettes and thus it takes much less of it to have the same effect as tar from 40 cigarettes. Regardless, the bottom line is that sometimes even ordinary air is not good for you.

Re:The king of smokers by dragonwriter on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:43AM (#12406189)
That's not "ordinary" air, its highly polluted air -- polluted with, among other things, smoke from burning various things.
Re:The king of smokers by nilkn on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:45AM (#12406218)
Okay, then what, exactly, is "ordinary" air? Air that has no ill health effects? If so, then this has become a tautology -- obviously air that has no ill health effects has no ill health effects. If all such cases are conveniently excluded from the definition, then there's no point even talking about this. This is air that millions and millions of people breathe just by walking outside.

Anyway, your observation that air in Beijing, etc., is polluted from smoke works towards my point, not against it.

Re:The king of smokers by dragonwriter on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:54AM (#12406317)
The upthread question about why inhaling smoke would be harmful if "ordinary air" was not pretty clearly used "ordinary air" to mean at least "air without smoke", since inhaling "smoke" is always inhaling "air with smoke", and it would be silly to ask the question if both alternatives meant "air with smoke".
Re:The king of smokers by nilkn on Thursday September 01, 2016 @12:56PM (#12406910)
The upthread question also mentioned heat, so one could also say that "smoke" was pretty clearly used to refer to something like dense, hot cigarette smoke dragged right off a lit cigarette and inhaled directly, not the sort of "smoke" that's involved in city air.
Re:The king of smokers by chadgeidel on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:17AM (#12405917)
http://www.uvm.edu/~susagctr/Documents/Woodsmoke.pdf

Sam Harris had a decent presentation about it here: https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-fireplace-delusion

EDIT: This is just wood smoke I guess - You are asking about generic "smoke". I apologize for not addressing your question fully.

Re:The king of smokers by JadeNB on Thursday September 01, 2016 @01:54PM (#12407434)
> This is just wood smoke I guess - You are asking about generic "smoke". I apologize for not addressing your question fully.

To the contrary, this is my favourite response (even though I don't have the religious response in defence of wood smoke that Sam Harris hopes to provoke). Thanks!

Re:The king of smokers by dragonwriter on Thursday September 01, 2016 @11:20AM (#12405942)
> I don't argue this claim—I don't have any evidence either way

You haven't seen evidence that smoke inhalation is a hazard with both acute and long-term harms?

Try this: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22smoke+inhalation%22+p...

Re:The king of smokers by Karunamon on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:58AM (#12405689)
Particulates and byproducts from burning matter - the reason smoking cigarettes kills your lungs isn't the tobacco, it's the tar and other garbage you're inhaling from combustion products.
Re:The king of smokers by saiya-jin on Thursday September 01, 2016 @10:57AM (#12405685)
burning any organic material, and most others produce carcinogens. hence vaping - heating material to boiling temperature of pot resin while not burning rest of the plant, in ideal conditions.