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Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by tim333 on Sunday August 28, 2016 @06:50PM (#12378916)
The trouble with explaining the double slit experiment with spread out waves is the electrons hit the screen at points leaving you to explain how that works. Video of it happening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRdROokUhs
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by ars on Sunday August 28, 2016 @08:09PM (#12379194)
Because charge is quantized, and not splittable.

Once it interacts with something all of it gets "sucked in" to one spot, and the entire electron interacts. The exact place it does that is randomized with varying probability at different spots.

But once a place is "picked" all of the charge goes there.

It's the quantization that is fundamental, and it's the quantization that makes fields look like particles, not the other way around.

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by hasenj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @08:44PM (#12379302)
If I understand correctly, there's currently no explanation of how one electron gets picked out of all the gazillions of electrons available; am I correct? Would that just be considered a fundamental randomness in nature?
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by ars on Sunday August 28, 2016 @09:21PM (#12379415)
I don't understand your question, can you rephrase?

In the experiment here they fire one electron at a time, so you don't have to pick one electron. Rather the final location of that electron is what's random.

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by hasenj on Monday August 29, 2016 @02:48AM (#12380421)
When you fire a photon on a wall and see a blip, the blip is the location of the atom that had the electron that absorbed the photons energy (The electron that interacted with the photon).

Presumably there are gazillion photons. Presumably they all want that photons energy. Presumably the photon is stretched out in space so it sort of "touches" all of them. Yet, only that one electron got lucky.

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by srtjstjsj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @10:50PM (#12379689)
That's the question: how is the location picked?

You roll a fair die, 1-6. It lands on 4 this time. Why 4, and not 5? How was the 4 chosen? In classical mechanics, it's a horrendously complicated but fundamentally simple computation. In QM, no one knows.

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by atemerev on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:44AM (#12380597)
Why the need for full determinism? Unlike Einstein, I have no problem with God playing dice; this allows for free will, among other things (randomness is in the [computational] eye of the beholder).
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by kawa on Monday August 29, 2016 @04:59AM (#12380798)
Why allows it for free will?

Consider those two situations:

A: You know everything and decide about something based on all the facts known to you

B: You know everything and decide about something based on all the facts known to you plus the result of a random generator

Why is B more "free will" than A? In B there is simply another fact which is beyond your control which modifies your decision. That doesn't makes your decision more free than A, you simply have an additional "input" to consider.

One may argue that B is more free than A because in principle another person with the same knowledge as you would know what's your decision is in A but won't know it in B because of the influence of the random generator. But that doesn't makes B more "free", it only makes it a bit more unpredictable. But in reality it's impossible to always know all facts leading to the decision in A so both have similar unpredictability.

In fact I would consider only A as real "free will" because even if your decision is only determined by (external) facts, it's still all your reasoning based on your beliefs, experiences etc while in B there is a determining factor outside your reasoning you depend on which makes your decision less free (because you may have to decide for a sub-optimal outcome because you're forced by the random generator to do so).

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by DavidPlumpton on Monday August 29, 2016 @05:49AM (#12380938)
The Many Worlds Interpretation plus Sleeping Beauty can directly explain this.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by dogma1138 on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:17AM (#12380517)
Pilot wave theory :)
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by hasenj on Monday August 29, 2016 @11:50AM (#12382700)
Isn't that theory rooted in the particles view of the universe? It's totally at odds with this paper, it seems to me. Is it not?
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by naasking on Monday August 29, 2016 @08:09AM (#12381326)
aka Bohmian mechanics, aka the de Broglie-Bohm interpretation of QM. It definitely doesn't get enough serious attention IMO.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by dogma1138 on Monday August 29, 2016 @08:36AM (#12381419)
It's been getting more and more attention especially since many recent QM simulation experiments kinda show that pilot waves are a real phenomena.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by ThePhysicist on Monday August 29, 2016 @02:56AM (#12380443)
"Classical" states (a single dot on the screen instead of an interference pattern) are created through the measurement process, which involves entanglement and dephasing: The small quantum system (the electron) first becomes entangled with the macroscopic system (the photo film and everything coupled to it), then the phase coherence between the individual eigenvectors of the electron gets lost due to the coupling with a large number of degrees of freedom in the measurement system.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by fallingfrog on Monday August 29, 2016 @10:20AM (#12381975)
Exactly! But how do you explain that to the public in a way that doesn't sound like a bunch of hocus pocus?
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by ThePhysicist on Monday August 29, 2016 @12:44PM (#12383138)
I know, it's difficult. I wanted to write an article about this for a while, guess I have to get up and just do it.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by hasenj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @07:24PM (#12379040)
If I understand correctly, it interacts with an electron that's more or less locked into a small place around an atom.

It doesn't just hit that one point; the blip represents the location of the atom that had the electron that absorbed the photon.

Just my two cents

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by atemerev on Monday August 29, 2016 @03:41AM (#12380590)
Calling an electron "a particle" presumes that it is always localized somewhere, and has a defined travel path. But it doesn't; when measurement happens, it is localized at some specific point, but that's all.

Something that can be localized only at interaction points, and not elsewhere, is not a "particle", it's something else. Perhaps "field excitation", like a hot spot in a microwave.

Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by goldenkey on Monday August 29, 2016 @05:18AM (#12380847)
But thats the catch 22. Macroscopic objects are only classical because they have their hand in the river of interaction non stop. Only the smallest butterfly can manage to remain coherent and uncollapsed.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by maxerickson on Sunday August 28, 2016 @06:59PM (#12378944)
Each probability field ends up interacting with a single point on the screen.
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by platz on Sunday August 28, 2016 @07:05PM (#12378968)
This is just the copenhagen interpretation which says nothing about the physical ontology of the light before it ends up as a point on the screen. Unless you are saying the probability amplitudes are physical things-in-themselves rather than calculational models. (side note - Feynman did not think of a probability amplitude as a physical thing-in-itself)
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by srtjstjsj on Sunday August 28, 2016 @10:48PM (#12379681)
But did Feynman think anything as a physical thing-in-itself? Feynman repeatedly argued that that physics is whatever the instruments measure, generalized by whatever computational models match the measurements, and he was happy to analogize to metaphorize whenever convenient to describe an aspect of a phenomenon ("photons jiggling")
Re:There are no particles, there are only fields (2012) by tim333 on Monday August 29, 2016 @05:09AM (#12380821)
One good thing about Feynman was he was always clear on what was experimentally observable and is what it is and what is theory where you can make up anything that fits the experiment.