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Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by semi-extrinsic on Friday August 26, 2016 @06:52AM (#12365389)
So, realistically, what value does paying with your phone add over an Oyster or contactless card?

Sure, you might claim that I'm more likely to forget my Oyster than my phone, but I'm also much less likely to run out of power on the Oyster.

Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by robmcm on Tuesday August 30, 2016 @10:58AM (#12390721)
For me it was a few things:

- I normally have my phone in my hand anyway. - My phone is in a pocket by it's self, so there is less risk of pulling out keys, coins, or notes along with my wallet. - I have many contact-less cards, so would have to pull the right one out of my wallet. - I would then have to put everything back, and go back to getting out my phone. - I get an apple pay notification ever evening when my card is charged, so I can easily tell if I have been over charged and get a refund.

Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by fennecfoxen on Friday August 26, 2016 @12:31PM (#12367349)
> what value does paying with your phone add over an Oyster

Phones and contactless payments actually do the fare-capping calculations slightly differently - if you do a "commute into London, then around London a bunch, then back" travel pattern, it can purchase a virtual central-London travelcard in the middle of the day, and adjust the commute-in payment retroactively. If you want that fare treatment with Oyster then you need to get the travelcard option loaded on it in advance.

> or contactless

modestly better security

Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by raverbashing on Friday August 26, 2016 @08:37AM (#12365734)
Probably none

This "contactless phone payment" seems more like a gimmick than anything else

Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by lathiat on Friday August 26, 2016 @09:17AM (#12365962)
actually it makes total sense for foreign travelers, who can immediately travel without finding a suitable location to purchase an Oyster card (for 5GBP), worrying about how much balance to put on it (being a tourist, I had no idea) and then waiting in line for over 30 minutes to return it (and get whatever was remaining as a refund) when I was done.

I actually had to do all of these things, because the first set of machines I ran into (and then used to purchase an Oyster card) didn't have signs about being able to use contactless now.. all of those signs were around the corner :-)

London is lucky enough to (at least for the underground) allow cash or EFT fares at the stations, in some hostile cities like Sydney you cannot catch a bus without a pre-purchased multi rider card which you can only buy from certain outlets.. you can not pay cash on board. Combining the inefficiencies of avoiding cash on rides with the global standard of contact less payments makes total sense to me

Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by raverbashing on Friday August 26, 2016 @10:45AM (#12366623)
Might be easier for tourists yes, but I just get the Oyster card last time I was there
Re:Apple Plans iPhone for Japan With Tap-to-Pay for Subways by astrange on Friday August 26, 2016 @11:14AM (#12366803)
I have at least eight cards of unknown value from different times I've been to Atlanta, and had to leave the airport on the train, which requires you to buy a transit card. Somehow I never remember this is a thing.

A phone replaces all this just like FiveStars replaced carrying point cards.