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Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by runesoerensen on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @02:32PM (#12354211)
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by rezashirazian on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @03:07PM (#12354446)
This is the first time I'm reading about this concept and I find it fascinating. If there was to be intelligent life on an eye ball like planet the cultural, mythological and theological aspects of having a thin habitable strip of land sandwiched between ice and fire would be captivating.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by mangeletti on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @09:28PM (#12356403)
He was told that when approached the light would swiftly ascend to scorch him. Like the others, he was told to stay in the narrows, where both the light and the cold darkness were at a safe distance, but he set out on foot anyway. When he first encountered the Anteriorkies, Perimetus knew his defiance had paid off, and the Anteriorky leader gave Perimetus shelter from the angry light above...
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by sdoering on Thursday August 25, 2016 @03:58AM (#12357503)
This would pull me into the rest of the book. You just feed me images and a whole story to imagine. Thanks a lot.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by joshvm on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:50AM (#12357675)
I don't know any published books that use this as a trope, but it's a popular writing prompt on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/search?q=tidally&res...

This was a good one: https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/comments/35mgnn/wp_a...

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by orp on Thursday August 25, 2016 @05:42AM (#12357846)
A similar concept was used in Jack of Shadows by Roger Zelazny, but with fantasy elements.

https://www.amazon.com/Shadows-Rediscovered-Classics-Roger-Z...

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by sciguy77 on Thursday August 25, 2016 @12:20AM (#12356956)
What are you quoting?
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by scroy on Thursday August 25, 2016 @02:23AM (#12357235)
It's Mangeletti.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by valarauca1 on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @03:42PM (#12354675)
I'm imaging an age of discovery-esque expeditions to the center of the Solar Plane.

They'd likely have radically different definitions of poles. One hot enough to melt lead, one cold enough to freeze C02.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by room271 on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:29PM (#12355392)
Check out Proxima by Stephen Baxter:

https://www.amazon.com/Proxima-Stephen-Baxter/dp/045146771X

It's a Sci-fi book about life on Proxima Centauri and includes the idea you mentioned.

(Also a really good read!)

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by TeMPOraL on Thursday August 25, 2016 @06:39AM (#12358020)
God damn it!

I have this annoying habit of impulsively buying books recommended on HN. Never been disappointed by one though. So thanks! :).

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by AdamN on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:30PM (#12355401)
Until the 20th century, no human had been on either pole of Earth either.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by raverbashing on Thursday August 25, 2016 @02:37AM (#12357271)
But differences of temperature between Earth poles temperatures and those temperature differences in tidal-locked planets is much smaller
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by thaumasiotes on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:03PM (#12355243)
> They'd likely have radically different definitions of poles. One hot enough to melt lead, one cold enough to freeze C02.

Well, in a certain sense the West Pole and East Pole would exist in the manner you describe, but the behavior is not similar to that of the north and south poles. The stars will still rotate around the north-south axis, and east-west still won't affect that. It's not obvious that both phenomena should be called "poles".

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:37PM (#12355437)
> The stars will still rotate around the north-south axis, and east-west still won't affect that. It's not obvious that both phenomena should be called "poles".

Note that "north - south" poles already refers to two distinct phenomena, the axis of rotation and the axis of the magnetic field (these happen to be closely-enough aligned on Earth that the latter has historically been used as a proxy for the former, though this is by no means a universal feature of all planets.) The axis of orientation to the sun, for a tidelocked planet, seems no less plausibly described as "poles".

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by thaumasiotes on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:51PM (#12355537)
North and south magnetic poles are named after the north and south celestial poles because they seem to coincide. That doesn't apply to the solar poles.

People always make use of local geographic features when describing directions; river communities use "upstream" and "downstream" and island communities use "inland" (away from the sea). Those aren't termed poles (even though "inland" is defined by reference to a line perpendicular to the ground!), and while I agree that the axis of orientation to the sun is more pole-like than they are, it's still different enough that I don't see that it would necessarily be referred to in the same terms.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by umanwizard on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @06:10PM (#12355646)
You don't have to look to rural tribes to find this behavior. In Manhattan, "North" and "South" usually are colloquially defined with respect to the orientation of the island, not the actual compass directions.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by thaumasiotes on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @06:15PM (#12355672)
And here in the vicinity of Santa Cruz, and going up towards San Francisco, "north" and "south" are often defined by reference to the labels on a freeway, even when that freeway in fact runs east-west.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @06:30PM (#12355748)
Doing that in the Bay Area can have some odd results, as (for example) there is a stretch of freeway that is simultaneously I-580W and I-80E (and vice versa). Naturally, it runs almost due North and South.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:57PM (#12355581)
> North and south magnetic poles are named after the north and south celestial poles because they seem to coincide.

Sure, and that's why the axis-to-the-star probably wouldn't define "north" and "south" poles, but not a reason it doesn't make sense to call that the points where the surface intersects that axis through the planet "poles".

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by thaumasiotes on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @06:29PM (#12355742)
That all depends on how some not-particularly-advanced people feel about it when the terms are determined.

Having thought a bit more, I tend to think it's unlikely that both axes would be significant to the same people (and therefore that they are particularly unlikely to share terminology):

- One important aspect of east-west historically is that east is sunrise and west is sunset. This wouldn't matter to anyone on Tidelocked World, but it corresponds pretty well to the idea of having a Day Pole and a Night Pole. The Day Pole would be apparent to anyone who lived in an area where the sun was visible, and the Night Pole would be totally unapparent to everyone else; it is significant only in that the Day Pole is on the opposite side of the world.

- Historically, north is cold and south is hot. This would apply, I believe, only to the day side of Tidelocked World. It reinforces the idea of a Day Pole while doing nothing for the Night Pole (everything beyond the terminator should (?) be equally cold).

- North and south are also defined by reference to the stars, which rotate around the polar axis (this is the origin of the word "pole", and would definitively rule out a Sun Pole if "poles" had to be defined that way, which they don't). This would be apparent to everyone living in the night, but probably not to anyone in the day.

If you believe all that, then we have the sun as a navigational aid that guides us toward the hottest part of the world, and the stars as a navigational aid to indicate the North and South Poles, but no concept of a Night Pole, because that concept is useless on the night side and there are no local indicators for where it is. Day people would be likely to refer to "sunward" and "darkward" in the manner of islanders, and night people would likely refer to "north" and "south", but day people would be unlikely to recognize "north" and "south", and night people would be unlikely to recognize "lightward".

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by im4w1l on Thursday August 25, 2016 @02:55AM (#12357315)
>everything beyond the terminator should (?) be equally cold

I don't think so. Winds, diffusion, conduction, refraction probably come into play.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by thaumasiotes on Thursday August 25, 2016 @05:04AM (#12357717)
Sure. How much variation do you expect as a function of distance from the terminator? Other sources of variation aren't really relevant.

It does occur to me that the Night Pole might be revealed by the shadow of the planet, if it has a moon.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by TeMPOraL on Thursday August 25, 2016 @06:35AM (#12358002)
> They'd likely have radically different definitions of poles. One hot enough to melt lead, one cold enough to freeze C02.

Think of the industrial applications! You'd have early metalworks near the hot pole, and when they'd finally figure out thermodynamics, I could imagine a planetary thermal engine created by bridging the hot and cold areas...

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by xg15 on Friday August 26, 2016 @10:03AM (#12366308)
You could pretty easily imagine a planetary thermal engine on earth as well though - between the poles and the equator. In fact, we do have one. It's called "weather".
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by aaron695 on Thursday August 25, 2016 @01:01AM (#12357038)
We haven't explored the bottoms of the oceans very well yet.

So that'd be more advanced than us I think.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by wlievens on Thursday August 25, 2016 @07:02AM (#12358105)
Who says they have poles? Maybe they only have austrians and hungarians.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by bitwize on Thursday August 25, 2016 @10:19AM (#12359161)
A Polandball planet would definitely have poles.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by mrfusion on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @06:11PM (#12355649)
A song of fire and ice perhaps? That might explain their strange seasons.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by astrosi on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @07:01PM (#12355898)
There is an alternative explanation for their off seasons proposed in this April fools arxiv paper

http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.0445

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by mirimir on Thursday August 25, 2016 @01:27AM (#12357104)
The Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin features a more extreme version.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20518872-the-three-body-...

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by VikingCoder on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:05PM (#12355253)
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by mark-r on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @06:54PM (#12355866)
Hard to imagine it being habitable when simple weather patterns would expose the thin strip to both extremes.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by euroclydon on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:25PM (#12355375)
They say the star's gravity fixes one side of the planet toward the star, and that ice builds up on the other side. I suppose if the atmosphere had enough mass, and the balance was precarious enough, the far side could accumulate enough ice to flip toward the star and become the near side.

So there might be a season change every so often

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by FreeFull on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @10:22PM (#12356604)
I feel like adding mass on one side would only made the tidal locking stronger. Either way, you'd need some sort of massive energy input to make the planet spin up again.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by vanattab on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @10:47PM (#12356686)
It would be interesting to study given a specific level of ice build up how big of an asteroid would have to hit it at the perfect angle to make it flip?
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by andrewflnr on Thursday August 25, 2016 @10:11AM (#12359110)
You mean a cataclysmic planetary flood every so often. All that ice suddenly exposed to continual bright sunlight is going to melt fast.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by Spellman on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @07:43PM (#12356050)
Winter is Coming!
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by nbevans on Thursday August 25, 2016 @03:59AM (#12357506)
That's an awesome plausible theory. Must be happening somewhere in the universe for sure!
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by dmichulke on Thursday August 25, 2016 @01:30AM (#12357109)
Is there any ballpark figure as to how broad (in degrees or km for an earth-sized planet) the habitable zone would be?
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by chocolatebunny on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:08PM (#12355276)
reminds me of the movie White Dwarf: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114926/
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by 1812Overture on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @04:14PM (#12354888)
I imagine convection would give one of these planets crazy weather.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by Dragonai on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @04:11PM (#12354865)
What a fascinating article! Thanks so much for sharing!
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by hawski on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @04:26PM (#12354981)
How such planet can protect its water from solar wind? There are probably different possibilities to get magnetosphere than Earth-Moon dynamo, but I don't know much about it.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by apparissus on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:20PM (#12355339)
The Moon isn't responsible for Earth's magnetosphere, rather our liquid iron core is.
Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by ergothus on Wednesday August 24, 2016 @05:41PM (#12355480)
Isn't it not that we have such a core, but that the core MOVES that creates it? If so, I can imagine the Moon playing a role in that.

That said "I can imagine" isn't terribly good science. Articles like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_theory don't make mention any role of the Moon, and googling around drowned out the actual question by talking about how the Moon might have once had a magnetosphere, along with articles about how smaller planets might be able to.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by throwaway5752 on Thursday August 25, 2016 @01:37AM (#12357123)
If so, I can imagine the Moon playing a role in that

It doesn't. The planet was spinning when it coalesced from a planetary nebula and conservation of angular momentum means it sped up as it coalesced. As the moon moves further away it _slows down_ the rotation of the planet.

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by hawski on Thursday August 25, 2016 @07:40AM (#12358252)
I stay corrected on accepted theories.

I tried to find some discussion on this subject. I found this [1] quite recent paper (2016-03-31) that states that influence of Moon is necessary to maintain Earth's magnetosphere. Just food for thought. There are articles that quote this paper on the Web, but they have this suspicious date of 1st April (but paper was published day before) :)

[1] http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X16...

Re:Planet Found in Habitable Zone Around Nearest Star by timlyo on Thursday August 25, 2016 @04:26AM (#12357594)
The moving core is created by radioactive material heating up the core and creating convection currents.