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Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by protomyth on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @10:35AM (#12305003)
I remember when my brother worked for Best Buy (electronics retailer) in the late 90's. Best Buy gave a large bonus if the shoplifting numbers were low (cannot remember the term they used). The Minneapolis store he worked at never got that bonus, as it had all kinds of thievery going on. They even hired cops as security (nice part time gig with the discount they had). The Fargo ND store always got its bonus ($700 per part timer, I think).

Walmart is Best Buy times 100. Blaming Walmart is just plain dumb as its a sign of something wrong with society. I wish we'd get over blaming things and get to being honest and admit the problem is people. People can have all manner of things fixed, and yes, its harder than demanding the victim of the crime pay for it. Charging Walmart more is going to up the prices and hurt a lot more people who really cannot afford another tax.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by dec0dedab0de on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @10:42AM (#12305058)
I also worked at Best Buy in the late 90s. Every store had a "shrink budget" that was the total number of money they expected to lose do to theft, and errors. If a store came in under it's shrink budget, a percentage of the difference was evenly distributed among the employees. I think the most I got was $400, my 19 year old self was very happy with that.
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by nickpsecurity on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @12:43PM (#12306015)
"Walmart is Best Buy times 100. Blaming Walmart is just plain dumb as its a sign of something wrong with society. I wish we'd get over blaming things and get to being honest and admit the problem is people."

How is it just plain dumb to call Walmart greedy and apathetic when it's greedy and apathetic? The measures cited in the article always reduce crime wherever they're implemented. Best Buy, Target, Kroger, etc use them over here in high-crime areas. Even our Walmart does. The Walmart in article that started them back up had a big decline in calls. We can't blame them for the rest but it was clear they weren't doing their part before. All for some extra $$$.

Note: All these retailers have a risk management team that knows about effects of above practices. You can bet they voiced opposition to the changes since their headaches would go up. They were then ignored to see those numbers go up on the balance sheet.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by overcast on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @03:32PM (#12307654)
What you're saying is that because of Walmart's business practices, that they somehow deserve to be robbed on a consistent basis. That's not how things work, this isn't an eye for an eye civilization.
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by nickpsecurity on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @05:06PM (#12308475)
No, that's the strawman point you're making then knocking down. What I said is that Walmart was facing high amounts of crime against it and its customers. It had two ways to respond to that:

1. A set of practices that cost some money but reduce amount of damagd to it and its customers. This is the baseline response it originally had plus what many competitors are currently doing.

2. Get rid of all of those, let crime increase dramatically, pocket the money, and foot the expenses to taxpayers.

I think eliminating 1 for 2 is unethical and damaging to locals, including customers victims of resulting crime. I support allowing them to do it but encourage police departments to make it cost them as in the article. That they did a 180 after that shows this is entirely motivated by profit.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by protomyth on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @12:51PM (#12306109)
Who is the victim of the crime? You are blaming the victim for behavior of other people. If it wasn't obvious from my two city examples, quite a lot of Walmarts don't have this problem.
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by emp_zealoth on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @01:42PM (#12306581)
The victim is the public because they bear the cost of constant police engagement in Walmart, costs that Wallmart is trying to offload to balloon their bottom line even more
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by nickpsecurity on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @05:08PM (#12308482)
Exactly what Im saying. Plus robberies, rapes, and/or murders if violent thugs see Walmart as a free for all with low risk of conviction due to corporate apathy. Article indicated it was already happening. Does in worst parts of our larger city when security investments are weak.
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by nickpsecurity on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @01:40PM (#12306568)
The "victim" increased the crime intentionally to make more money. The cost of dealing with the increase was shouldered to taxpayers. They also were put at increased risk of physical harm. I think that means there's two victims: Walmart and taxpayers. That's why the one city declared Walmart a nuisance. They weren't allowed to externalize their problem onto others for free anymore. Once economics changed, suddenly Walmart decided it knew how to reduce crime. Which it did.
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by wpietri on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @10:45AM (#12305079)
> I wish we'd get over blaming things and get to being honest and admit the problem is people.

The problem has always been people. That's why we have civilization in the first place: to create a structure where people are reasonably safe from the predations of other people.

People were still people 10 or 20 years ago, but Walmart didn't have the same crime problem. Asking them to return to previous staffing levels so that their stores are safer for customers and the community doesn't sound like a shocking burden to me.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by douche on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @11:05AM (#12305230)
There's a lot less crime in general in the rural/suburban areas that Walmart was primarily serving 10-20 years ago. And a lot of even those areas have more poverty and petty crime than they did 10-20 years ago, with the local industries and economy taking a huge punch in the face, and meth and opiate abuse spiraling.

You could blame Walmart for some of the economic woes, but they aren't the ones shuttering the auto plant, or the steel mill, or the shoe shop, or automating the old labor-intensive, natural-resource sectors so they require vastly fewer, more highly skilled people.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by mhurron on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @10:55AM (#12305151)
> People were still people 10 or 20 years ago, but Walmart didn't have the same crime problem

But is that actually a problem of Walmart's creation, or is it that the pressures that encourage shoplifting became higher among those that Walmart attracts and in the areas Walmart builds in the past 10-20 years.

Increasing staffing would probably benefit the people shopping there more than it would prevent shoplifting. And the greeters? They hired 60+ year olds for that, no one was dissuaded from shoplifting because of them.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by davidf18 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @12:41PM (#12305993)
The crime at Wal-Mart is a manifestation of a systems problem that was not of Wal-Mart's making but rather the export of jobs to China and Mexico and the substantial increase in immigrants from 9 million in 1970 to 43 million today (not counting the 11 million illegal immigrants). The immigrants generally are uneducated and complete for jobs and drive down income for America's poorest citizens.

Diagnose and solve the problem, don't treat the symptom of the problem.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by citrin_ru on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @01:53PM (#12306685)
Exporting jobs to China allows poor to buy cheap goods. Without moving production to countries with cheap labor American poor will earn more, but able to buy less.
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by davidf18 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @02:21PM (#12306991)
I'm glad you mentioned this. Some people have lost their jobs to workers overseas. People can't always be "retrained" and so for these people, since they are now unemployed they are not able to buy more.

In addition, lack of employment correlates (and presumably causes) and increase in crime, in drug use, in depression. These are all externalities that are borne not only by the former worker and their families but by taxpayers and society at large. Someone has to pay for the increased crime and protection, someone has to pay for the additional health care costs, and so on.

These negative externalities of exporting jobs to China, to Mexico, and soon possibly to other Asian nations through TPP are never part of the economic equation.

In order to address a problem, it must be fully analyzed. In this case, there is much finger pointing at the victims of a broken system.

So, when a company exports a worker's job overseas, who is supposed to pay the additional healthcare costs cost by the unemployment? Should us the taxpayers or should those that caused the problem in the first place? Someone has to pay and we shouldn't just let events decide but rather make a conscious choice.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by menlo75 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @02:38PM (#12307163)
Trump 2016: Blame the immigrants
Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by davidf18 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @02:47PM (#12307254)
Blame economics. An increased supply of uneducated labor drives creates more competition for jobs performed by the poor, uneducated and also drives down wage rates. Illegal immigrants, since they can't complain, will work in illegal conditions and even lower wage rates.

H1-B visa abuse is used by firms (see Disney World in Florida and Abbott Pharmacueticals in Illinois for example) to drive down IT and STEM labor rates.

You might dislike Trump, but he is against H1-B Visa Abuse and H2-A and H2-B (blue collar) Visa abuse. Meanwhile Hilary has used H1-B Visas in the Clinton Foundation (I love patriotism :-) ).

So, instead of being emotional about an issue, be analytical. I assume that most of the people reading HN are analytical and just don't emotionally lash out.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by hjck on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @03:02PM (#12307388)
You mean the 2 visas/year filed by CGI? http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Clinton-Global-Initia... Or the 685 by Trump's WPB hotel, including almost 100 last month for which he rejected US workers http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election... ?

Since most Trump voters are uneducated, this is my tip: Go to Stanford/MIT/Columbia, get a CS degree and then you won't have to compete with illegals for a job. And always remember:

"Of course foreigners steal your job, but maybe, if someone without contacts, money, or speaking the language steals your job, you're shit." ~ Louis C. K.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by davidf18 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @03:31PM (#12307638)
CGI tried to hire 7 public relations specialists, 2 community service managers, and 1 fundraiser. CGI is in NY State where I live. Hilary as NY Senator promised to increased the number of jobs in NY State by 200,000 and she should show by example.

Trump has admitted it was a mistake for him to abuse the H2-A and H2-B programs and he is against increasing H1-B (STEM) H2-A and H2-B. Whereas Hilary is for increasing the H1-B program (her backers want it increased).

Sanders agreed with Trump's position of not increasing H1-B, H2-A, and H2-B Visa programs.

The truth is that the position of Trump and Sanders care more for the jobs of professional STEM and working class than Hilary.

Be analytical and not emotional.

"... you're shit." ~ Louis C. K."

Don't know Louis C.K. but he's a jerk.

The IQ curve is a normal distribution around 100 and it takes an IQ of around 110 or so to get into college and get a degree. Many people lacked the intelligence/intellectual endowment that readers of HN has. That doesn't mean they're shit. It means that they struggle in this world in ways that many here can't fully understand.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by hjck on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @04:36PM (#12308252)
So, HRC hiring an insignificant number of immigrants is wrong but Trump gets a pass on thousands, including a request for hundreds of foreign labor applications last month? BTW, Trump does favor H1b for tech: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/...

Looking at your history (African American access to the tech world in NYC), it seems you are a troll, so I'll leave it at this: http://blog.samaltman.com/trump

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by davidf18 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @05:50PM (#12308758)
http://www.firstpost.com/world/as-republican-convention-kick...

"However, Trump is a different story. “When politicians talk about ‘immigration reform’ they mean: amnesty, cheap labour and open borders,” his website states. “Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.”"

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"Trump's plan is manifold but there are two points that specifically target H-1B visa holders. Trump states on his website that one way to curb unemployment is by increasing the prevailing wage for H-1Bs. This will force the companies to give the Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEM) jobs to Americans, instead of hiring the no-longer cheap labour from other countries. That way, more women, blacks and Hispanics will get jobs in the STEM industry. He wants to introduce a rule so that companies that want to hire workers on H-1B will be required to hire American workers first, even before greencards (permanent residence status) are issued to foreign workers."

Instead of resorting to ad hominem (trolls?) attacks, you should admit the facts which are that Hilary as Senator said she wanted to create 200,000 jobs in NY State and for her it was "do as I say, not do as I do" when she Clinton Foundation attempted to hire foreigners instead of Americans.

The truth is that Trump's position is for employing Americans for STEM jobs and not importing foreigners.

Trump criticizes Disney for replacing American IT workers with foreign H1-B workers (Southern California Edison did the same as Disney). http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/donald-trump-just-took-a-...

Trump and Sanders criticize Carrier Air conditioners for exporting jobs to Mexico. http://fortune.com/2016/02/18/sanders-and-trump-give-union-h...

There are lots of young Americans and older Americans that want jobs and Trump (and Sanders) wanted to help them. Hilary, on the other hand supports increasing the H1-B visa program which will displace even more American jobs. Both the Democratic and Republican elites support importing foreigners to replace Americans. That is one of the reasons that the Republican elite truly hate Trump. In many ways, he is more for the workers than the Hilary Democrats and that makes them very, very angry that voters and not their elite money could nominate their candidate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tech-policies-20...

"HP Enterprises CEO Meg Whitman has been outspoken on her position that Trump's trade policies would damage her company.

"I think his policies around free trade will be damaging to businesses as a whole," said Whitman, a Republican, in an interview with CNBC."

Instructive comments on Trump and H1-B: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/comments/4umcm9/...

As for my statements on Black access and tech world in NYC, I assume you live in NYC and you've been to meetups so you know what I am talking about and can dispute it. Why don't you tell me from your own experience, what exactly is wrong with my statements.

Oh, and regarding Sam Altman and Nazi Germany, etc. I had family that came to the US in 1881 thanks to pogroms.

Re:Walmart’s Crime Problem by mason240 on Wednesday August 17, 2016 @10:53AM (#12305133)
Walmart didn't have large presence in urban areas 20 years ago.