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Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by vmarsy on Sunday August 07, 2016 @03:50PM (#12243352)
Impressive. likewise my five years old Thinkpad still runs like new (with Windows 10 startup improvement over 7 it felt even faster, but even faster is Ubuntu. it runs incredibly fast).

For tech enthusiast who enjoy smartphones unfortunately a 8 year old phone won't cut it. I have 4 year old Nokia Lumia that still runs fine and with an average 1.5 days of battery life (it used to live 2 days, it's aging). It works well for me because I care about basic apps, GPS, internet browser, and email. But for more apps heavy users most apps won't work if the phone isn't on the latest OS version, and most old phones can't upgrade to the latest OS version. For instance if Facebook stops maintaining messenger on windows phone 8.1, I'd loose my most used app. Fortunately the market share for 8.1 in emerging markets is still important enough for fb to keep a quality app.

Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by tbihl on Sunday August 07, 2016 @05:03PM (#12243646)
I had probably about the same Thinkpad, and I was amazed at how much faster Windows 8.1 and 10 were. Granted, I was also making a huge upgrade because some tech-illiterate person bought us 32-bit Windows licenses and 4GB RAM (2.9 usable.)

I've much more often been frustrated by my phones. My last phone was at the point where I'd expect ~1 second delay for any interaction, whether that was opening an app or scrolling in a webpage. I think as the current one ages I'm going to start eliminating apps and wiping the phone more frequently than I do now, because I'd rather have all that money going toward my desktop and laptops.

Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by colejohnson66 on Sunday August 07, 2016 @08:41PM (#12244672)
> Granted, I was also making a huge upgrade because some tech-illiterate person bought us 32-bit Windows licenses and 4GB RAM (2.9 usable.)

A bit off topic topic, but is there any reason 32-bit Windows is still a thing? Every Intel processor I've seen since Atom failed is 64-bit.

Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by Sanddancer on Sunday August 07, 2016 @08:58PM (#12244748)
Devices like lower end tablets often have 2 gigs of ram and 32 gigs of flash, which would be problematic because a 64 bit version of Windows uses 3-4 gigabytes more disk space, which would be further amplified by needing that much more space for the recovery partition. These devices are useful, if limited purpose, so putting a 64 bit OS on it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Here's an Intel blog post from last year talking about it: https://blogs.intel.com/evangelists/2015/07/22/why-cheap-sys...

Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by colejohnson66 on Monday August 08, 2016 @09:58PM (#12252078)
So because tablet makers don't want to spend a few extra dollars on a dedicated flash chip for recovery, 32 bit is still a thing?
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by hx87 on Sunday August 07, 2016 @10:48PM (#12245169)
Buying licenses and having 4GB of memory (and being disappointed about it) implies a desktop PC, and even a $80 refurb on eBay has at least an 80 GB hard drive.
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by Dylan16807 on Monday August 08, 2016 @01:47AM (#12245711)
There wasn't much technical reason for 32-bit windows to be limited to 4GB in the first place, so I wouldn't try too hard to make sense of it all.
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by colejohnson66 on Monday August 08, 2016 @09:57PM (#12252069)
I thought Windows 32 bit supports PAE?
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by Dylan16807 on Monday August 08, 2016 @11:45PM (#12252483)
They do, and they use it to support the NX bit, but they artificially restrict memory to 4GB on everything except the most expensive server SKUs.
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by chriswarbo on Sunday August 07, 2016 @06:44PM (#12244153)
> even faster is Ubuntu. it runs incredibly fast

Heh, I use Linux (NixOS) with XMonad, st and Emacs, so it's always pretty responsive. Not used Windows in over a decade, so I can't comment on its speed.

> But for more apps heavy users most apps won't work if the phone isn't on the latest OS version, and most old phones can't upgrade to the latest OS version.

My phone runs Debian, so I haven't had any problems keeping up to date :)

Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by kagamine on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:31AM (#12245811)
Which model phone is that? I would love to have a linux phone or cheap tablet I could lend to my children that is not Android.
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by ashitlerferad on Monday August 08, 2016 @02:23AM (#12245793)
Which phone can run plain Debian??
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by chriswarbo on Monday August 08, 2016 @05:10AM (#12246379)
Re:Apple should stop selling four-year-old computers by ashitlerferad on Monday August 08, 2016 @12:51PM (#12249126)
Debian doesn't have a Linux kernel package for that. You can run Debian on almost any phone by using a fork of Linux for that phone.