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Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by 8ig8 on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:17PM (#12236611)
I thought the post perhaps was this unbelievable flaming UFO...

https://m.imgur.com/dm2o6h5

(Starts slow, but worth watching past the initial smoke.)

Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by GeorgeHahn on Saturday August 06, 2016 @12:25AM (#12237015)
Here's a video full of these! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQaXDafs_Y
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by basicplus2 on Saturday August 06, 2016 @01:05AM (#12237108)
awesome! a bit like how power station boilers used to be lit.. "light blue touch paper and retreat in haste"
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by amagumori on Saturday August 06, 2016 @03:58AM (#12237464)
Not a UFO, a girandola!
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by jacquesm on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:07PM (#12236456)
That has a longer story attached to it, another windmill in the background is also on fire. I suspect a fault in the grid coupling causing overvoltage (which would cause the windmill to start acting as a motor, in which case it could easily exceed it's designed maximum RPM, and with the air braking it a fire is pretty much inevitable in that situation, the alternator windings are not made for that situation).
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by josh-wrale on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:18PM (#12236614)
Isn't it possible that whatever might be keeping the foreground turbine from disengaging could also affect the other turbine? Factory defect?
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by jacquesm on Saturday August 06, 2016 @01:07AM (#12237117)
Overvoltage can weld relay contacts together when the relay is opened, even with AC the spark would be considerable. I'm sure that the wreckage was studied extensively to figure out what exactly could have been done to prevent this from happening.

It's one thing to have to design for fickle winds, it's quite another to also have to design for a fickle grid!

Windmills tend to have a destabilizing effect on a grid, if the grid is unable to sink all the power pushed into it the voltage will rise.

Even so, you'd wonder just how much of a rise would be required to cause a catastrophe like this.

Those people filming this are braver than I would have been in the same situation, a mill considerable smaller than this one failed on the island where I lived and the blade was found the next spring. It was embedded several feet down in the soil and about a mile away from the base of the mill!

Dying windmills are dangerous, and to stand there to film it took a lot of courage.

Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by vosper on Saturday August 06, 2016 @11:06AM (#12238336)
> Dying windmills are dangerous, and to stand there to film it took a lot of courage

Or they were unaware of the dangers and wanted to shoot a cool video.

Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by jacquesm on Saturday August 06, 2016 @12:33PM (#12238689)
The award for the coolest video is called 'Darwin Award'.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by Retric on Saturday August 06, 2016 @11:55AM (#12238514)
It's likely a design defect coupled with failing breaks and high winds. Modern windmills rotate their blades to keep operating at a range of wind speeds without that winds can apply insane amounts of force which may have lead to over RPMing the generator causing a fire.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by jacquesm on Saturday August 06, 2016 @12:32PM (#12238686)
Windspeed is quite low, see the speed with which the vortex separates from the tip, so failing brakes have nothing to do with this particular failure.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by Retric on Saturday August 06, 2016 @02:50PM (#12239354)
Every other windmill is stationary, so they are applying breaks. As to wind speed we don't see a when it actually failed, only the current speed which is not exactly slow.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by tbabb on Saturday August 06, 2016 @04:10AM (#12237488)
Very interesting video, but given this title I was expecting far more interesting math than a simple helix.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by vpribish on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:49PM (#12236409)
that's one of the most frustrating videos ever filmed. what the hell, cameraman.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by macintux on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:20PM (#12236620)
I came here just to post this. Maddening.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by dsjoerg on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:27PM (#12236499)
what's so frustrating about it?
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by pmontra on Saturday August 06, 2016 @05:02AM (#12237560)
He keeps pointing the camera to the ground and he misses the moment the windmill finally breaks down. Suggestion:

1) look into the camera to keep it aligned

2) look at the subject and keep the camera off

Pick one.

Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by diydsp on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:02PM (#12236579)
and at one of the most amazing moments - when the blades fly away - the cameraman points away and stays away.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by jacquesm on Saturday August 06, 2016 @04:27AM (#12237509)
That's because he has just had his wits scared out of him. Being that close to a windmill that comes apart is super stupid and must have caused him/her to think 'what the hell am I doing here?' at the moment it came apart.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by beachstartup on Friday August 05, 2016 @08:41PM (#12236532)
because the pretty spiral is never centered and/or completely in-frame.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by josh-wrale on Friday August 05, 2016 @09:15PM (#12236609)
Looks like the smoke helix is forming coils slower than rate at which the turbine is rotating. Perhaps some drag on the smoke makes it this way.. Or maybe it's just an illusion.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by jacquesm on Saturday August 06, 2016 @04:28AM (#12237510)
You are spot on, that is more confirmation for my suspicion of overvoltage. The power drives the windmill, so the machine is rotating faster than the wind it generates due to slippage.

Normally it would be the other way around, the wind would pass through the turbine faster than it could move (Betz' law, in both cases but for the opposite reason, just like it is impossible to extract all the power in the wind due the air then having to 'pool' around the windmill you can't transfer power with 100% efficiency from the rotor to the air either, you'd create such overpressure behind the windmill that some of that air would have to move back to the front of the rotor. This stuff is all not-so-intuitive and the video is actually (accidentally) a really nice illustration of Betz' law at work.)

Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by gus_massa on Saturday August 06, 2016 @06:29AM (#12237667)
I'm confused. If the fire is in the center, why only one of the blades release smoke?
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by Artlav on Friday August 05, 2016 @07:33PM (#12236369)
Something like three fail-safe systems have failed or weren't installed in this case.

All to generate a bit of neat smoke?

Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by kvajjha on Friday August 05, 2016 @11:03PM (#12236828)
Is it possible to use Vpython for Computational Fluid Dynamics? I'm interested in making an animation of the Kelvin-Helmholtz instability.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by nether on Saturday August 06, 2016 @04:03AM (#12237472)
You could use it for visualization. With the actual solution computation, you'd probably want to use numpy/scipy.
Re:The Mesmerizing Math of a Wind Turbine on Fire by i336_ on Saturday August 06, 2016 @08:41AM (#12237919)
This is definitely worth asking on one of the Stack Overflow or one of the Stack Exchange sites.