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Re:Some news from LWN by paganel on Thursday August 04, 2016 @07:14AM (#12224740)
> Also it seems like they don't use CSS to enhance the site's UX at all.

For me that's a feature, not a bug. I'm interested about the content itself, not about with what color or what font that content is presented as.

Re:Some news from LWN by sotojuan on Thursday August 04, 2016 @08:16AM (#12224971)
Every time someone says a website should update their look people think they mean it should look like Medium and be brigaded by design school freshmen who'll make the page weigh 900gb.

I don't know what the original commenter meant, but the text could be a bit bigger and the line lengths and spacing controlled.

The comment metadata could be shortened and humanized, though the audience may find it useful.

There's some bugs with the dropdowns on mobile (haven't been able to close one).

I don't know if that will get them subscriptions, but it'd make the site easier to read.

Ironically, if you look at the HTML classes, they are using a CSS library typically used to make "modern" sites many here revile: http://purecss.io/

Re:Some news from LWN by hehheh on Thursday August 04, 2016 @09:41AM (#12225396)
You created a strawman argument (y'all want it to be 900gb!) and then counter it yourself with some reasonable suggestions that others here have made as well.
Re:Some news from LWN by brazzledazzle on Thursday August 04, 2016 @01:28PM (#12227110)
I don't think it's fair to accuse them of strawmanning. They did make it clear that they might be unfairly attributing the argument to the original commenter.
Re:Some news from LWN by pluma on Thursday August 04, 2016 @07:30AM (#12224793)
Sure, but the design is objectively bad.

The article's title is repeated throughout the comments list and emphasized. The other comment metadata has the same visual emphasis as the actual comments (except the link and author jump out more than the comment itself). The articles themselves expand to the full width of the window.

Re:Some news from LWN by hueving on Thursday August 04, 2016 @07:51AM (#12224872)
I think you mean subjectively. "it's not in the format I'm accustomed to" is not objective in any way.
Re:Some news from LWN by pluma on Thursday August 04, 2016 @08:25AM (#12225009)
No, objectively. Unless you're saying it's intended to emphasize the metadata over the content. I'm talking about factors that are measurably detrimental to readability -- not fashion. Visual emphasis isn't new, it's been around for centuries -- it's not just a fad.

There is plenty of introductory material on visual emphasis around, not just covering emphasis in textual media, e.g.: http://daphne.palomar.edu/design/emphasis.html

I agree that line length according to more recent studies seems to be less consistent (some recent studies say speed actually increases with longer lines but there doesn't seem to be any data on comprehension/retention and preference seems to be biased towards shorter lines -- again all of these factors may be cultural). But visual emphasis is a thing -- it's hard-wired into how human visual perception works.

Re:Some news from LWN by lukeschlather on Thursday August 04, 2016 @09:58AM (#12225504)
It doesn't emphasize the metadata over the content - they are equal peers.

Most techniques for making metadata less emphasized make the metadata objectively less readable. I like having the metadata there. I like being able to read it. I have no trouble reading the text (because it's a decent size and the layout handles zooming without issue.)

Re:Some news from LWN by pluma on Thursday August 04, 2016 @10:17AM (#12225647)
It puts the metadata first with no visual distinction from the content itself. The distance between paragraphs in the comment and between the metadata and the comment is identical.

Also, the title of the article is repeated throughout and drastically emphasised (considering nothing else is that visually distinct and it even has a solid background color).

Re:Some news from LWN by brianmurphy on Friday August 05, 2016 @05:07AM (#12230902)
The typical LWN reader is a heavy mailing list consumer. Emails have subject lines so having subject lines for comments is very familiar. Many people take the default subject heading because they are making an on-topic comment. I think outsiders aren't used to seeing so many on-topic comments so it throws them off.

Using a line break between meta data and content is also a familiar paradigm. Spend 20 years reading your email with mutt or mailx and you'll catch on. ;)

Re:Some news from LWN by omginternets on Thursday August 04, 2016 @08:48AM (#12225119)
Forgive me, as I truly mean no offense, but this is silly.

Good design makes the content more evident and less tiring to read. The two go hand-in-hand.

Do you favor poorly written articles simply because you're interested in the "content"? I expect not, so why the latent notion that "function = good" and "form = useless"? It's intellectually lazy.