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Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @02:27AM (#12216013)
> (a) Cars do obey traffic lights, at least in Shanghai and Beijing. Perhaps you're talking about 10 years ago, or in tier 2/3/4 cities

Most of the time? More so in Shanghai than Beijing, I still see cars doing very crazy things on a daily basis. I mean, what cop is going to dare and pull over a Black Audi?

> (d) People do pay attention when they cross the road. You have to, because cars can turn right at a red light and, even though they're meant to yield to pedestrians, they don't.

Most do, but after seeing a couple of cyclists hit and (probably) killed as they just blew through a red light, well, some obviously don't.

> (c) Creating an additional lane is rare in big cities.

Heck, 25% of the lanes in Beijing are being used for illegal parking, the scooters just spill out anywhere. Anyways, these buses I assume would only travel on very well regulated roads (if at all, this bus has been vapor for more than a few years now).

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by chrischen on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @04:24AM (#12216473)
They've aggressively implemented traffic cameras recently.

So traffic behavior has changed dramatically. People actuallywear seatbelts now! This is because they fine if you get caught even without a belt.

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @04:36AM (#12216523)
Some lights have cameras, not all, many drives know the ones that do and don't. Also, the black Audis don't care if they get caught on camera, they are basically immune to punishment. I see a few WTFs a day, still.

I wish abiut the seatbelts. Almost every single taxi I've been in for the last few years has them hidden under the back seat where they aren't usable. We have to take a zhuan Che just to get them for ourselves, and the the driver is never wearing. Any kind of enforcement in Beijing has a short attention span, they might do seatbelts once a year at a few locations, it isn't enough to form any kind of deterrent.

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by Paul_S on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @05:34AM (#12216755)
What are those black audis you're talking about? Government cars?
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @06:12AM (#12216893)
Beijing is a government city, so lots of national and provincial officials floating around, their car of choice seems to be a black Audi, but they seem to be branching out into BMWs, Mercedes, and even land rovers. You can tell who they are by how many traffic rules they ignore, but the police typically don't bother enforcing anything on anyone unless they are in special campaign mode.

Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou are better. Heck, even Kunming and hangzhou are better than Beijing, given there aren't so many officials in these cities.

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by dredmorbius on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:14AM (#12217668)
Diplomatic plates are a similar hazard in NYC or DC.

Literal immunity in most cases, attitude on top of that.

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:38AM (#12217799)
Diplomat black plates are rare though, and they don't seem to drive aggressively, even if they have diplomatic immunity. Saw Hilary's SUV once around the American embassy, weird that they didn't bother blocking traffic or anything.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by chrischen on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:05PM (#12220569)
My families are locals and they know the government plate prefixes and say government member cars are all low key, usually Chinese brands.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @06:53PM (#12222140)
That was the plan, but you'll still see a lot of audis in front of the ministries.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by Al-Khwarizmi on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @05:13AM (#12216690)
When I was in Beijing, every bus I travelled in (OK, that was 3 or 4 of them, so anecdotal evidence) had seatbelts installed in a position such that they where physically unusable.

I find it a rather funny thing, why do they do that? I mean, if they are required to install seatbelts and they actually buy and install them, doesn't it cost the same to place them, you know, in their proper place?

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @06:14AM (#12216902)
No one uses seatbelts, so no one cares, so they just bury them to make it easier to put on the seat cover that isn't really designed for seatbelts with only nominal holes for show.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by rahimnathwani on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:38AM (#12216306)
You're refuting points that I didn't actually make!

On (a), I said cars obey traffic lights. I didn't say they don't do other crazy things.

On (d), I said people look when they're crossing the road. I wasn't talking about cyclists going through an intersection. That's not what 'crossing the road' means in every day speech.

On (c), I was talking about creating an additional lane. I wasn't talking about illegally blocking an existing lane.

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:44AM (#12216334)
I see cars routinely not obey traffic lights, which is one of hose crazy things. The only reason it has gone down at all is because of the cameras, but you'll still see it happen on a daily basis.

People don't look when they are crossing, they just go. I have to warn the driver to be careful at such intersection because there is always some old guy or gal crossing. The bikes are much more dangerous, as the cars are expected to, and can, just go around the pedestrians who don't give a f*ck about the light, but the bikes are always surprises.

Beijing used to have lots of bike lanes. Technically it still does, but it is all being used for parking. The four lane roads on either side of my apartment are effectively one lane roads since parking enforcement is non existent.

Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by duaneb on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @08:20AM (#12217365)
Are black Audis intimidating to police for some reason or am I missing something?
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @08:25AM (#12217390)
China is a corrupt country where officials will use/abuse their positionsagainst police who pick trouble with them. Black Audi is the stereotypical official car of choice.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by kbenson on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @02:00PM (#12220040)
I wonder how many people that are not in government specifically buy black Audis in that city to take advantage of this. It's actually possible (although unlikely) that much of the bad behavior is from pretenders.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by graedus on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @06:40PM (#12222072)
Thanks for providing some color. I found this article with some more background: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/fashion/in-china-audi-mean...
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by co_dh on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:53AM (#12217876)
I think Black Audi means nothing these days. I would partially agree with your first sentience if it's 10 years ago and in small city. But today in big cities, definitely no.
Re:China has built an elevated bus that travels above car tr... by duaneb on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @08:25AM (#12217395)
Publicly? That's not a good sign.