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Re:The law depends on compute power by lisper on Saturday July 30, 2016 @02:35PM (#12194114)
It is not illegal to publish a social security number. Watch this:

268-91-7112

That is a social security number, but I guarantee you I will not be prosecuted for publishing it. What is illegal is publishing the binding between a particular social security number and a particular person.

Geeks get way too hung up on this idea that publishing these things should be OK because "they're just numbers." No, they are not "just numbers". They are numbers with some associated semantics. This number is Bill's SSN, that number is Sony's secret key. It's the semantics that matter, not the number.

Re:The law depends on compute power by j2kun on Saturday July 30, 2016 @05:11PM (#12194727)
The point was that you can either make the binding cost no computational resources for the reader (by publishing and the binding in plaintext), or you can make it cost some mild amount of computational power (say, put it in a list of 20 fake numbers), or you could make it computationally infeasible by encrypting it. Is the second option illegal? At what computational difficulty does it become illegal?

Either way, the fact that the third is legal means that the law depends on compute power.

Re:The law depends on compute power by lisper on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:53PM (#12195274)
It's a judgement call. Which is why we have judges.
Re:The law depends on compute power by bjornsing on Saturday July 30, 2016 @04:31PM (#12194578)
There are interesting paradoxes though when you mix "legalistic" and "geeky" worldviews. :P E.g. let's say somebody publishes the statement "one of the prime factors in Bill's SSN is 7"... and then someone else, independently... ;P You get the point! :)
Re:The law depends on compute power by izacus on Saturday July 30, 2016 @05:15PM (#12194742)
Then you look at them, determine their intent (to publish Bill's SSN) and punish them or not accordingly. That's the point of the legal system and judges - as opposed to computer code they actually tend to try and determine intent as an important part of a ruling.
Re:The law depends on compute power by bjornsing on Sunday July 31, 2016 @08:58AM (#12196763)
> Then you look at them, determine their intent (to publish Bill's SSN) and punish them or not accordingly.

That sounds like a very pragmatic view of the legal system. I'm more idealistic so I'd rather say that you have to "prove" (rather than "determine") their intent before you can punish them. ;P

Look, I'm not saying you're wrong, but there absolutely are times when the "geeks" win. For example consider export control for cryptographic algorithms which was thoroughly ridiculed by "geeks" [1] and later scrapped IIRC.

1. http://www.cypherspace.org/rsa/

Re:The law depends on compute power by drdaeman on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:15PM (#12195193)
The problem is, the intent of such action is, most probably, to just fuck with the law (requiring it to solve the task it can't work on, because its from the different realm[1]), not to publish Bill's SSN.

Legal system may try to handle the issue - in this particular case, it's possible to just ignore the primary intent and decide whenever an intent to publish did exist instead - but sometimes it just fails. I think that's, for example, how PGP source code was exported, working around munitions export laws.

[1] It must be dual. In a same manner formal logic can not be always applied to the realm of legal affairs, laws may malfunction when asked to handle problems from the domains they don't really map to.

Re:The law depends on compute power by sliverstorm on Saturday July 30, 2016 @04:49PM (#12194642)
Didn't Sony try to claim a patent on the specific number, rather than some kind of security argument?
Re:The law depends on compute power by WildUtah on Sunday July 31, 2016 @02:46AM (#12196001)
Motorola has a patent—asserted in the Microsoft case—on a specific number used as an error correcting code.
Re:The law depends on compute power by lisper on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:52PM (#12195270)
No. To patent something you have to disclose it, so patenting a secret key would totally defeat the purpose.
Re:The law depends on compute power by sliverstorm on Sunday July 31, 2016 @11:27PM (#12200040)
Well, I remember that being part of the contention. Sony said, "we've patented it". Everyone else said, "how can you have patented it, when you won't tell anyone what it is!?". Or something along those lines.
Re:The law depends on compute power by lisper on Monday August 01, 2016 @12:11AM (#12200154)
If you can find the patent number that would make it easier to formulate a cogent response.
Re:The law depends on compute power by sliverstorm on Monday August 01, 2016 @12:15AM (#12200161)
Some googling suggests it was not a patent they claimed, but that it was an "illegal number". Very possible I confused the two.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

I think at the time what I found ridiculous was that you were prohibited from "having" the number, but of course nobody could say what number it was you weren't allowed to have... seemed like something that belonged in Dr. Strangelove.