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Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by StavrosK on Sunday July 24, 2016 @01:05PM (#12153819)
Does this mean that plastic is very tough and hard?

Edit: Sorry, not plastic. I meant rubber.

Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by bearbin on Sunday July 24, 2016 @01:28PM (#12153937)
No, plastic can be very tough, but is not generally very hard (although there are exceptions to both).

Since plastic can stretch a large amount before breaking it absorbs more energy than a (inverse of tough) object, so it is tough.

Since it is easy to stretch inelastically, it is not hard.

Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by dragontamer on Sunday July 24, 2016 @01:42PM (#12153998)
Plastics are... plastic. Uggghhhhh.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasticity_(physics)

Usually anyway. IIRC, Acrylic is a plastic that shatters instead of deforming. But most plastics (ABS (aka Legos), polypropylene (PP, #5 Plastic), Pete (most bottles), HDPE (aka cutting boards)) all are "plastic", as in having high plasticity.

IIRC, metals are actually more "plastic" (deform more before breaking) than erm... plastics. See iPhone aluminum bending issue for details.

Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by jrapdx3 on Sunday July 24, 2016 @05:03PM (#12154889)
I recall that "plastic" was so named because of the material's formability. Thermoplastics soften or liquefy when heated, becoming malleable and can be molded or extruded, retaining shape when cooled. Thermosetting types are products that are cured by heat, UV or chemical reaction, having high plasticity before curing but irreversible rigidity after.

"Plastics" are mostly petrochemical derived organic polymers. Properties of some, like acrylic glazing are relatively hard and brittle, others quite elastic and soft, e.g., foam rubber. Obviously modern life is utterly dependent on these materials which are employed in virtually everything we use from food to space probes.

There are good reasons to believe that production of "plastics" is among the highest and best use of petroleum resources, it's a shame we continue burning it up at a prodigious rate. Trends to find alternative energy sources would have benefit in this respect too.

Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by dredmorbius on Sunday July 24, 2016 @05:56PM (#12155092)
The history of plastics discovery is pretty interesting too.

The first were based on coal tar, starting around 1870-1880 IIRC. Then came bakelite, still used in cookware handles -- it has exceptionally good thermal resistance properties.

Discovery accelerated through the 1900s, 1910s, and 1920s, and exploded in the 1930s, with the number of materials about doubling IIRC.

Names started changing too -- from chemical (polypropelene, polyester, polystyrene) to brand (nylon, teflon, orlon).

I've also noted that with both coal and oil, there seems to have been an adoption and technological development cycle in which the first use was to burn the materials, and only later, by some decades, did the chemistry develop for materials based on the substrates. There's probably a lesson here.

Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by simbas on Sunday July 24, 2016 @01:31PM (#12153961)
Plastics aren't hard, as are ceramics, metals and other cristalling structure, because you can scratch/penetrate it.

Check this out for a quick comparaison about toughness: elongation of polymers is pretty easy. http://images.slideplayer.com/32/9819762/slides/slide_7.jpg

For more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_materials_properties#M...

Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by StavrosK on Sunday July 24, 2016 @01:56PM (#12154048)
Ugh, sorry, I meant to type "rubber" and typed "plastic" instead. Rubber both resists scratches and permanent deformation, no?
Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by bronson on Sunday July 24, 2016 @03:43PM (#12154507)
You're asking if rubber is considered hard? What type of rubber do you have in mind?
Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by StavrosK on Sunday July 24, 2016 @06:26PM (#12155202)
Any, I guess. Tyre rubber is not easily deformed permanently, although I guess it is easy to scratch.
Re:Super-hard metal 'four times tougher than titanium' by auxym on Sunday July 24, 2016 @06:10PM (#12155139)
Since the elastic modulus (slope/derivative of deformation vs stress graph) the energy absorbed is not necessarily very high even though you can get high deformations (multiple 100%, compared to 30% or so for soft steels).