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Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole

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Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by falsestprophet on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:42PM (#12151314)
The proposal is to raise the minimum salary for H1B visas from $60,000 to $100,000 for employers with over 15% H1B staff.

There is an obvious loophole here. Large employers of Americans like IBM (or Walmart or UPS or Aramark or even Taco Bell) [1] could hire H1Bs at the lower rate of $60,000 and rent them to third parties like Infosys and Tata do today.

For context Walmart employs 2.1 million people [1]. 15% of that is 350,000. There are approximately 650,000 H1Bs working in in the United States [2]. So, Walmart alone could employ about half of H1Bs at the lower rate of $60,000.

I expect this law would have little to no effect on the total number of H1B workers employed below $100,000.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_employers_in_t... [2] http://cis.org/estimating-h1b-population-2-11

Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by d4rti on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:44PM (#12151324)
I've never seen a good argument against running it as an auction where the highest salaries offered win.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by danieltillett on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:47PM (#12151336)
How would this help keep tech salaries down?
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by cptsyk on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:12PM (#12151210)
IT companies would probably pay 100k on paper and ask 40k back from their employees. Laws like this don't stop companies who abuse the system.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by ci5er on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:48PM (#12151338)
I've never heard of this. How would it work? I assume that the $100K would be W2 income (a requirement for corporate sponsorship) and all of the related income taxes for both the employer and employee are paid up. How would the IT company get paid back without having to report this as something like sales income/revenue? Unless the "boss" is getting a personal cash kick-back under the table, I don't understand how this could even happen. If the "boss" is not the sole shareholder this is both extortion against the employee and embezzlement against the company - and probably tax evasion. If the sole shareholder, then still extortion and (probably) tax evasion.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by cptsyk on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:59PM (#12151378)
Companies who do this ask their employees to pay back in inr in India. Companies settle this with some creative accounting. Regulations for financial reporting are a joke in India. Google it for details.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by ci5er on Saturday July 23, 2016 @07:13PM (#12151430)
Really? That's kinda ... sleazy. And against US law. I'm assuming nobody reports it because nobody wants 100% of that company's H1B visas (including their own visa!) to be revoked in the US?
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by cptsyk on Saturday July 23, 2016 @07:19PM (#12151450)
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by nedwin on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:30PM (#12151277)
This happens with the current system already. They get found out and charged accordingly.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by cptsyk on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:51PM (#12151346)
Yeah but did it make any difference? Fine for abusing H1B is so low that its laughable.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by dominotw on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:18PM (#12151238)
>ask 40k back

how?

Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by cptsyk on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:41PM (#12151311)
You'd be surprised at length Indian companies go to win contract and employees to get a chance to get out of India. Its nothing short of slavery.

People in western world think 9 percent unemployment rate is high; Now just think about close to 80 percent unemployment rate in chosen field of study. In such environment competition is so intense to get and hold a job, employees would do anything that companies tell them to. Including passing the 40% salary back to company under the table.

Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by vjfjfjcnf on Saturday July 23, 2016 @05:44PM (#12151116)
Seems like a pretty reasonable measure to increase the minimum salary to $100k since the original stated purpose of the H1B visa was to bring in extraordinary talent and expertise that couldn't possibly be found in the US. I can't imagine what any sincere, non self-serving arguments against it would be.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by HillaryBriss on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:00PM (#12151160)
It seems an argument against this bill is that the salary limit should be more like $125K or $150K. That is to say the criticism is: this bill masquerades as a meaningful reform but won't have much actual impact.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by WillPostForFood on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:44PM (#12151323)
Right, or it just shifts the problem. Instead of replacing our $100k employee with a $60k H-1B, now we can afford to replace our $140k employee with a $!00k H-1B
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by infinite8s on Saturday July 23, 2016 @09:25PM (#12151782)
But you could have done that before.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by xbmcuser on Sunday July 24, 2016 @10:06AM (#12153334)
You wont be able to do that if the employee is that good he will get poached for a higher salary.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by cuchoi on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:15PM (#12151225)
And non-profits? Salary is not a measure of talent.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by arunmoezhi on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:39PM (#12151300)
Non-profits don't have a quota cap.
Re:Issa bill would kill a big H-1B loophole by vjfjfjcnf on Saturday July 23, 2016 @06:41PM (#12151312)
>Salary is not a measure of talent.

No, but it is a good measure of scarcity. And H1B holders are supposed to have skills that are completely unavailable in the US.