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Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @11:56AM (#12130024)
Digression: That's an old tired dead horse. When the minority organizes, somebody always calls 'double standard'. "They're racist/sexist too!"

Forgetting these folks don't have the institutional power to harm others. Forgetting that the rest of the world is a de-facto mens/white/whatever club already. Lets just retreat to the ivory tower.

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by refurb on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:00PM (#12130050)
Forgetting these folks don't have the institutional power to harm others.

Really? I'd say an accusation from those groups can ruin a career.

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @01:55PM (#12131041)
I've been reading some depressing articles recently about top scientists who have been accused repeatedly, and who kept their careers for decades.

http://mashable.com/2016/01/12/astronomy-professor-sexual-ha...

So maybe one day a single false accusation will be able to ruin a career, but it seems at the moment, multiple factual accusations won't.

Meanwhile, these men do threaten to, and follow through on threats to, ruin the careers of the women unlucky enough to find themselves trapped in professional settings with these sociopaths.

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by jazzyk on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @03:53PM (#12131932)
Remember ShirtGate? I don't think it ended this guy's career, but it was a close call.

"What should have been the best week of Matt Taylor's (Rosetta project scientist) professional life ended with him weeping on TV as he apologized for his alleged crime."

More at:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-goldberg-rosetta-...

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by kaitai on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @03:41PM (#12131852)
Like Christian Ott of my alma mater? Seems to be doing fine!
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:08PM (#12130126)
Yeah, maybe. But consider their very limited career options, maybe they have little to lose by trying to call attention to the biases they constantly live with. A man's career is ruined! Cry for him - because now he's living like a woman? There's some hypocrisy there.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by fdsaaf on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:33PM (#12130341)
Are you seriously claiming that random innocent men deserve to be ruined because of their gender? Are you really claiming that this state of ruin is "living like a woman"? I like to think that women can amount to something.

When you're approving of driving innocent people out of work because of their chromosomal makeup, maybe you need to step back and reconsider your principles.

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by BrainInAJar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:11PM (#12130151)
whose career ? Name one.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by j_s on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:44PM (#12130455)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5419071

I don't have more time to figure out the guy's name but his HN username is mr-hank: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by beevai142 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @04:00PM (#12131969)
Richards got fired and got loads of death threats and racist messages, because of a single tweet. The guy got off easier with just being fired.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by busterarm on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @08:12PM (#12133590)
I didn't know that this was a competition.

Also someone else getting worse makes this okay? Two wrongs make it right?

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by BrainInAJar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:43PM (#12134001)
The dudebros also got new jobs. Richards did not.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by imron on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:52PM (#12130512)
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by BrainInAJar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:49PM (#12134023)
was reinstated, is a professor of immunology at the same university.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by imron on Thursday July 21, 2016 @02:59AM (#12135233)
Do you have a source for that? All I can find (from Wikipedia) is that he was forced to resign from three positions he held, and that he was reappointed to one.

There's another article from a news source I don't particularly trust saying he was offered a new position in Japan.

Either way, even if he's doing fine now it was months of upheaval and a dedicated witch-hunt over comments that were taken completely out of context.

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by Shoop on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:31PM (#12130326)
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by BrainInAJar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:46PM (#12134019)
Still has a job, just not the same job. Same can't be said for Adria.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:33PM (#12130342)
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by BrainInAJar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:46PM (#12134018)
Dude continuously harasses a woman well after being told to stop, then having his account suspended. That's not "I said the wrong thing", that's criminal harassment.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by jackmott on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:39PM (#12130395)
Scott Aaronson had some pretty tough times for doing absolutely nothing.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by BrainInAJar on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @09:44PM (#12134006)
Then he got a promotion, and now leads an institute at UT
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by idanoeman on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @02:58PM (#12131544)
If you have to ask this question, I'd say you're either not paying attention or being willfully ignorant of the tightrope-walking act men have to perform these days to not get lynched by internet mobs.
Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by smt88 on Wednesday July 20, 2016 @12:27PM (#12130293)
That's not institutional power. It takes advantage of public opinion, rather than institutions like the government or powerful corporations.

The accusation could be just as harmful coming from an individual, in most cases. It depends on the type of accusation, though.

Re:Why I won’t give talks about being a woman in tech by dredmorbius on Thursday July 21, 2016 @11:01PM (#12141466)
Punching up vs. punching down.

I'm still reflecting how I feel about this, though my inclination is to be forgiving to disempowered minorities -- or majorities.

It's not as if the empowered majority (or minorities) haven't, and don't, make use of similar organisations and tactics. There's something about balancing power which matters.

That said, I'm also somewhat leery of, say, exclusively gender-divided organisations. Contra: the National Organization for Women, which admits both women and men.