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Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by SilasX on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:08PM (#12116419)
But what was totalitarian about it? All of the economically destructive measures (price controls, currency exchange rates, impositions on the rich/foreign investment) were immensely popular, right?
Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by ktRolster on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:19PM (#12116501)
Yeah, not totalitarian policies, just stupid policies. Genghis Khan could become dictator and if he fixed those policies, the economy would improve.
Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by elliotec on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:25PM (#12116559)
I always find it strange that Genghis Khan is used as an example this way. He was solely responsible for one of the largest economic revolutions in history by uniting the Silk Road, standardizing a writing system, and ran a meritocratic society. So yeah of course he could fix it, he's one of the most successful rulers of all time by all metrics.

Edit: Yeah, obviously he and his conquest killed a lot of people. And yeah, in this case it was a metric of success for him and his empire.

Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by ktRolster on Monday July 18, 2016 @02:45PM (#12117227)
I always find it strange that Genghis Khan is used as an example this way.

Mainly because he is seen as a barbarian conqueror, so people understand me if I use that phrase.

(whether he was or not is immaterial: though by modern standards, he was a barbarian conqueror and completely unethical)

Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by astrodust on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:42PM (#12116706)
He also murdered millions of peasants he saw no use for since rice farming was not on their list of priorities.

When conquering China it was often the case that academics were the first on the chopping block since they were presumably the ones most likely to cause trouble.

So yeah, he fixed the economy?

Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by adamsea on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:44PM (#12116726)
Uhhhh what about the metric of most civilians slaughtered? Just sayin' .... which metrics here constitute "success"?
Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by structorg on Monday July 18, 2016 @04:13PM (#12117784)
Subsidies were indeed popular and probably anything chavez did. Then, popular and orwellian totalitarian are not contradictory.

But lets first understand that "the poor" are not created by the rich in latin america as socialists love to say, its been more than half a century of socialist/socialdemocrat rule and its obvious that they create the poor by making them dependant on the governments' favour. The famous barrios, fabellas and asentamientos are the creation of a socialist elite that uses the filantropy masquerade to get easy money through corruption, currency exchanges, inflation, etc.

Re:My Venezuela Nightmare: A 30-Day Hunt for Food in a Starv... by SilasX on Monday July 18, 2016 @04:26PM (#12117858)
I was addressing the comment's point about "checks on government". Specifically:

>>In a socialist country, it is possible for the government to be governed by law and have limits placed on its power. That is not what's been going in in [Venezuela].

My point is, there were in fact limits, and they went through the democratic process to have exceptions made to those limits. That's not totalitarianism, which would be "some figure saw the limits and bypassed them without approval anyway".