Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by varjag on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:27AM
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Leaving aside how much of your statement is true, there is no such thing as natural process in international relations.
The only concept approaching that would be social darwinism, but from that perspective it would be quite "natural".
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by jbooth on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:33AM
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Dude. We talking about animals here? Their natural ecosystem? People deserve more respect than that.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by trelltron on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:50AM
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Ecosystem: a complex network or interconnected system.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by hx87 on Monday July 18, 2016 @10:57AM
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There's hardly anything "natural" about human ecosystems, or human relationships for that matter.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by 0xfeba on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:10AM
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Depends on your definition of natural. The religious claim of 'special creation', esp. w.r.t. humans has it easy here:
> existing in nature and not made or caused by people : coming from nature
This definition really stems from man's early assumption that we are distinctly "different" from all other natural things.
But reality tells us otherwise: People are a part of nature; they are natural. It's easier to discuss in terms of what isn't the same instead of what is the same. And that is, we are the smartest known species (being the sole species with self-consciousness is still up for debate). Therefore everything people do is natural.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by hx87 on Monday July 18, 2016 @11:44AM
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So either everything humans do is natural or nothing humans do is natural. Either way, it's incorrect to say that 1st world actions in the Middle East are any more "unnatural" than what the indigenous people do.
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by imglorp on Monday July 18, 2016 @12:06PM
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That was kinda my point. As long as they're being okay neighbors and keeping the human rights violations in line, IMHO countries deserve self determination without the superpowers bullying via overthrowing (Assad)--or just plain invading (eg Ukraine).
Re:Saudi Ties to 9/11 Detailed in Documents Suppressed Since...
by jbooth on Monday July 18, 2016 @01:29PM
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That's a reasonable point (although it's not like Assad is short on human rights violations), but implying there's some sort of "natural line of development" that would have happened without interaction with the west really strikes me as (unintentionally) racist.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/world/middleeast/us-relies...