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Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by coldtea on Monday July 11, 2016 @07:58AM (#12070402)
>Pies of all kinds, fish 'n' chips, traditional sausages, good old roast dinners, chicken tikka masala

Sort of makes my point. None of these have anybody (of statistically significant percentage) outside the UK salivating, or have ever created something like a "British restaurant" to be found abroad (like there are French or Italian restaurants everywhere).

And even the best of this list was invented by taking from a foreign (the Bangladeshi) cuisine tradition.

>and of course the healthiest breakfast in the world

Bacon, sausages, eggs, and beans? I think nutritionists can point to at least 20 other candidate countries for that title...

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by orf on Monday July 11, 2016 @08:35AM (#12070571)
> None of these have anybody (of statistically significant percentage) outside the UK salivating

Have you ever tried a traditional English pie? I'm a bit biased obviously, but as an anecdote my Italian co-worker who moved here recently absolutely loves them (and I can't help but say 'who ate all the pies, guido?' to him). They don't have that kind of pastry in their cuisine at all and he can't get enough of them. It's a national cuisine, just because not a huge number of people outside the UK eat it doesn't make it bad in any way.

> or have ever created something like a "British restaurant" to be found abroad

You're right, cuisine isn't our major cultural export (I'd say that's TV) but it's hard to find authentic national food outside of the respective nation. Most Italians would cry at the sight of most of the "Italian food" served at "Italian restaurants", just because it's not a label you can stick on your restaurant doesn't mean it's bad...

> Bacon, sausages, eggs, and beans? I think nutritionists can point to at least 20 other candidate countries for that title...

You forgot the hash browns, black pudding and toast, all in huge quantities. Also that went way over your head, it's possibly the most unhealthy breakfast in the world when done right.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by CalRobert on Monday July 11, 2016 @08:43AM (#12070613)
You know, I just realized that I really miss pasties after a night out when I don't have them around. And let's not forget that English cheese can be spectacular!

Certainly there are great foods to be had, but on the whole it seems it's not the UK's strong suit.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by casta on Monday July 11, 2016 @01:24PM (#12072640)
Wouldn't an English pie be similar to something like "torta pasqualina"?

It's not usual to see a pie with meat in Italy, usually its filling it's all vegetables/eggs, seldom some ham. There are plenty though.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by orf on Monday July 11, 2016 @01:37PM (#12072757)
> Wouldn't an English pie be similar to something like "torta pasqualina"?

Nope, nothing like that, I think. English pies use thicker pastry, are filled with gravy and never anything green. Something like this[1] gives you an idea. Perhaps it's the sort of equivalent, but the Italian I work with says there is nothing like them that he's ever had in Italy.

1. http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3148692/dads-beef-mushroo...

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by casta on Monday July 11, 2016 @01:47PM (#12072837)
If I search "traditional English pie" I see images of something more similar to what I suggested than the image you linked.

I'm in the U.S., so the search results might be affected by my location.

edit: I tried on google.co.uk and I get more results similar to what you suggested.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by orf on Monday July 11, 2016 @01:56PM (#12072914)
Yeah I think that's google trickery. How strange though, I would have thought the search "traditional English pie" shouldn't/wouldn't be affected by the location.
Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by casta on Monday July 11, 2016 @02:11PM (#12073014)
If you search "Carbonara" in the U.S. you get something with cream, peas and garlic.

So, it's definitely affected. :)

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by wtbob on Monday July 11, 2016 @08:57AM (#12070687)
> They don't have that kind of pastry in their cuisine at all and he can't get enough of them.

Well, Italians have pastry in their cuisine — but they boil it and call it pasta grin

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by jimbokun on Monday July 11, 2016 @11:17AM (#12071620)
"You're right, cuisine isn't our major cultural export (I'd say that's TV)"

Probably cultural products more generally, including books and music.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by Yhippa on Monday July 11, 2016 @10:18AM (#12071179)
What do you consider to be a traditional English pie? I need to make sure I have one of these.
Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by orf on Monday July 11, 2016 @01:32PM (#12072713)
Steak and Ale, Steak and Kidney, Chicken and Mushroom, Pheasant and other game (that's not as common though). If you want a great one then make sure it's from a small, non-chain pub somewhere in the countryside for the full English experience.

Pork Pies are pies as well I guess, but they are a different beast and as nice (no gravy, solid filling) unless you get an amazing melton mowbray one.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by soundwave106 on Monday July 11, 2016 @10:47AM (#12071380)
Maybe not restaurants per se, but there's quite a few British pubs around here that do serve some variety of British cuisine (usually fish n chips / pot pies / etc.)

I will also add that traditional British ales played a pretty huge role in fueling the underpinnings of the American homebrewing / craft brewing movements. Of course, us Americans transformed it entirely in a different direction from the British CAMRA "real ale" world. :) But some of the most popular American craft brew style clearly have clear British lineage: IPAs / pale ales, porters, and stouts.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by ascagnel_ on Monday July 11, 2016 @01:06PM (#12072479)
> Sort of makes my point. None of these have anybody (of statistically significant percentage) outside the UK salivating, or have ever created something like a "British restaurant" to be found abroad (like there are French or Italian restaurants everywhere).

British-style pubs that serve those exact dishes are very popular in Canada.

Re:How we're scammed into eating phony food by lsh on Monday July 11, 2016 @08:07AM (#12070436)
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