Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards

Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by steven777400 on Friday July 08, 2016 @02:35PM (#12057720)

Yes, an employee of Washington State. The state government is divided into agencies, who can approach hiring differently (some almost exclusively use contractors, other try to use exclusively employees). Contractor pay is negotiated by each agency with the contracting firm; but employee pay is set all the way from the top (the state legislature).

So, for example, if I say "I can't hire anyone that meets your 'expert' qualifications for $65K/year", there's nothing my supervisor, or his supervisor, or the CIO, or the agency director, or even the governor can do; other than recommend we switch to using contractors which has its own downsides.

There's been an increasing push that has been heard for IT salaries to be "re-evaluated", but it's suffering from politics and all the usual high-level government malaise. It'll be at least 2-3 more years before anything happens, and there's a 50/50 chance that the outcome is "we should pay you more, but we won't."

That's the same excuse they've used for not giving "cost of living" increases most years. :)

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by derefr on Saturday July 09, 2016 @03:11PM (#12062816)

Given that you can hire all the contractors you like... couldn't you just set up an external NGO consulting agency, which you contract work out to, and which has a "deal" to provide their employees insurance/benefits/pensions through you equivalent to what you'd provide—and then making your "hiring" process into a "certification" process that gives people exactly the credential said NGO cares about?

In other words, why not do what the military does, and branch off a civilian subcontractor?

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by toomuchtodo on Friday July 08, 2016 @02:53PM (#12057827)

> but employee pay is set all the way from the top (the state legislature).

Can't fix that broken of a compensation model without significant work (having intelligent representatives run for office).

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by steven777400 on Friday July 08, 2016 @03:19PM (#12057979)

When I mentioned the problem to one of the state HR folks working on the compensation thing for IT, she said, "Ask not what your state can do for you, but what you can do for your state." Which is a fine sentiment, but doesn't help me actually fill positions with people who won't be a net negative to the team.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by eikenberry on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:01PM (#12058238)

Have you thought about hiring people for those positions as full time but actually only working them part time? You could probably find good people who don't want to work normal full time jobs but would like the benefits that usually only come with full time employment.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by dragonwriter on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:52PM (#12058567)

> Have you thought about hiring people for those positions as full time but actually only working them part time?

In state agencies, that's a pretty good way to get yourself and the people involved fired (and possibly worse), since its essentially a conspiracy to defraud the government.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by csa on Saturday July 09, 2016 @01:19AM (#12060225)

In some/many government agencies, this is the nudge-nudge-wink-wink way things are done. Explicitly planning to do this, however, would probably not end pleasantly for the parties involved.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by deagle50 on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:47PM (#12058528)

Doing that at some of the agencies I've contracted with in the past would take a mile of red tape.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by laurentoget on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:43PM (#12058503)

This does not sound legal to me, though.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by asimuvPR on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:18PM (#12058348)

Any email address where you could be contacted? I looked around your website and blog but only found links to linkedin and facebook. Thank you.

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by steven777400 on Friday July 08, 2016 @04:46PM (#12058525)

Depending on the content, you can either email my personal email: steve (at) kolls.net

or send official business to my state email: Kollmas (at) wsdot.wa.gov

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by asimuvPR on Friday July 08, 2016 @05:54PM (#12058899)

Thank you, sir. :)

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Re:Tech job listings are down 40% on several job boards by csa on Saturday July 09, 2016 @01:21AM (#12060234)

One way to address this is by getting jobs reclassified to higher pay grades. It's not easy, but it might be possible over the course of a few years.

Usually it requires a mission critical task and an inability to hire. If it's important, the leaders will do what it takes to make things happen.

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