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Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by cm2187 on Friday July 01, 2016 @10:31AM (#12016297)
But what is the paid alternative of all this privacy invasion? Even Apple is doing it now.
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by edwintorok on Friday July 01, 2016 @12:59PM (#12017802)
If you care about privacy on your mobile phone consider supporting alternatives such as Neo900 (preorders are available): http://neo900.org/faq#floss
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by yoshamano on Friday July 01, 2016 @01:48PM (#12018178)
I really want to support the Neo900 but the estimated $1,100 price tag for a complete phone is prohibitive.

https://neo900.org/estimate

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by tunap on Friday July 01, 2016 @03:28PM (#12019010)
I concur. Also, the long wait has been too long & the specs were weak when they announced it... how many years ago?

Neo900 & Sailfish broke my heart.

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by 0xmohit on Saturday July 02, 2016 @12:29PM (#12023018)
Agree that the mentioned price would be prohibitive.

But looking at how much people are willing to pay for smart watches, perhaps not.

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by lostlogin on Friday July 01, 2016 @03:28PM (#12019013)
That is a lot, but it isn't any more than a top of the range iPhone or (I assume) Android. For people who get phones on contract, it's probably cheaper to by the neo900.
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by avckp on Friday July 01, 2016 @10:46AM (#12016425)
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by ucaetano on Friday July 01, 2016 @10:49AM (#12016455)
If not enough people are willing to pay, nobody will create an alternative.
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by DKnoll3 on Friday July 01, 2016 @02:10PM (#12018377)
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by sygma on Friday July 01, 2016 @11:04AM (#12016621)
source?
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by GrumpyYoungMan on Friday July 01, 2016 @11:24AM (#12016835)
From a recent HN article:

http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2016/06/what-is-diff...

"Starting with iOS 10, Apple is using Differential Privacy technology to help discover the usage patterns of a large number of users without compromising individual privacy."

To paraphrase, Apple has been collecting telemetry all along and is announcing that they're starting to a new proprietary algorithm to obfuscate it a bit.

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by artimaeis on Friday July 01, 2016 @12:13PM (#12017350)
You and I are reading that a different way. I see it as they're going to be able to collect this data for the first time since they've found a way to do so without compromising privacy.

Their privacy page seems to agree with my interpretation:

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

Though since iOS is closed source - we can't know for certain.

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by tunap on Friday July 01, 2016 @01:20PM (#12017962)
Cannot find specifics now(my N900 doesn't render many pages anymore), but it was widely known prior to 2010 that snApple slurps data every 45 min, or 16 x's a day. When I read that I thought it was an interesting coincidence that the ISS circles the Earth at the same rate.

Possible discussion from 2011, cannot open the page:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3200399?start=0&tstart=...

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by lostlogin on Friday July 01, 2016 @03:31PM (#12019026)
Don't think that's the right link, but it is complaints about data usage.
Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by tunap on Saturday July 02, 2016 @03:34PM (#12023549)
Specifics are hard to come by, perhaps it was a presentation or IRC revelations. Either way, search is no longer optimized for finding info for non-consumption results and Apple is accomplished at forcing NDAs and hiding specifics behind vague legalese... until circumstances arise that can no longer be vehemently denied and the flowery marketing speak flows: they seem to address the specific concerns without actually being definitive. Oh yeah, they often promise not to do questionable tasks, like accidentally tracking all iphones for over a year, too.

Links from the past:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/06/apple-loc...

http://lifehacker.com/5864518/is-my-phone-spying-on-me-and-w...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-lawsuit-idUSTRE6BR1Y...

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/iphone-developer-progr...

Re:Google collects metadata from Android phones by tunap on Saturday July 02, 2016 @03:59PM (#12023622)
PS: I know, I know, *everybody's doing it". That doesn't necessarily equate to being just, only that it is within our technological means. Some more relics from the past...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/how-the-nsa-spies-...

https://www.aclu.org/cell-phone-location-tracking-request-re...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2986988/privacy/the-price-of-...