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Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by avs733 on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:23AM (#11970447)
I can say with confidence that it might mean the government stays out of their medicare /s
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by ars on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:38AM (#11970600)
I get the joke, but after having dealt with them, I would personally love it if the government got out of medicare.

Just give everyone a voucher and let them buy their own health insurance using it.

The amount of paperwork, and details to keep track of and calculate was absolutely unreal. I have BOXES full of paper from medicare, there was so much I could barely keep up.

The worst was the arcane and utterly confusing rules on eligibility: if this, or if that, or you live here, or there, for these dates, and that deadline. I felt like I needed an AI just to figure it all out (and in hindsight my understanding was completely wrong, and I chose the wrong option).

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by njloof on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:23PM (#11971042)
By contrast, the paperwork I do (as a client) under Canadian single payer Medicare is nil, and my supplementary insurance (vision/dental) can be filled out online in minutes.

Sounds like you need a better system in the US. Maybe not so many different stakeholders in the system?

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by ars on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:07PM (#11971527)
That's how it works for commercial plans. Very easy, simple paperwork.

They have to compete with each other, if they were confusing no one would sign up.

> Sounds like you need a better system in the US.

It does work for most people, it's the edge cases that fail.

> Maybe not so many different stakeholders in the system?

Making medicare normal would require much higher taxes (medicare/medicaid hospital payments are below costs and are subsidized by commercial plans). People would then save money on commercial plans.

Net dollars would not change, or maybe go down, but the distribution would change, some winners, some losers.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by stephenr on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:24PM (#11971052)
Americans always seem to just assume that because their unique way of doing <thing> doesn't work, <thing> is unworkable and should be abandoned, usually in a "let the corporations fix it" kind of way.

- Banking regulations

- government backed healthcare

- gun control

- education system

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by badsock on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:58PM (#11971441)
Seriously, I don't think they realize that most of their problems with government are actually problems with just their government, which from an outsiders perspective seems very poorly run.

They outspend nearly everyone on public health and education and yet still have outcomes in the lower half of the developed world for what those programs are supposed to address. And instead of actually owning up to the poor outcomes and trying to fix them they just blame blacks and latinos for pulling down the average.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by shanusmagnus on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:24PM (#11971062)
Medicare pricing structure are heavily subsidized [indirectly] by commercial insurance plans -- this is one of the reason many providers hate taking Medicare patients. If the govt. just gave people vouchers and the Medicare system dissolved, those people would receive much less care (measured in dollars of care consumed per dollar of insurance purchased.)

That might be a good idea. In fact, it is very likely a good idea, for some global notion of 'good.' But people on Medicare would be, shall we say, vocal in their complaint.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by ars on Friday June 24, 2016 @01:03PM (#11971495)
That would have other benefits. The reason health insurance in the US is so expensive and complicated is exactly because of how commercial plans fund medicare.

If we stopped doing that hospitals could publish actual prices for procedures - same price for everybody, insurance or not. Then people could actually shop around and healthcare costs would drop.

But today prices have to be secret and impossible to understand or the way commercial plans fund medicare would collapse.

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by shanusmagnus on Monday June 27, 2016 @11:06AM (#11986612)
The expense and complication is due to many, many more factors than how commercial plans fund Medicare. Medicare could disappear entirely and the price transparency you describe would not change one iota. They are largely orthogonal issues.
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by brewdad on Friday June 24, 2016 @12:21PM (#11971034)
Sounds a lot like private insurance.

Handing out "free" money has worked so well for higher education. How will vouchers solve the problem of skyrocketing health care costs?

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by lgas on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:39AM (#11970624)
Actually as long as you include that "it might" part in there, you can say anything with confidence.
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by fomojola on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:33AM (#11970553)
Not sure if you're being facetious, but Medicare IS the government, you do realize this? Medicare isn't some magical, mythical creature that existed from the dawn of time and has always been there: it is explicitly a creation of the government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States))
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by mikestew on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:43AM (#11970664)
Not sure if you're being facetious, but Medicare IS the government

And parent even used the sarcasm tag. :-) Parent doesn't need it explained, but some American citizens apparently do: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/prescription...

Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by mikeash on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:36AM (#11970583)
They're mocking people who protested with signs like "Keep government out of my medicare!" during the debate over Obamacare.
Re:The British are Googling what the E.U. is, hours after vo... by avs733 on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:39AM (#11970615)
note the /s