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Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by k__ on Sunday June 05, 2016 @08:47AM (#11840657)
Well, it was 2500 bucks.

Maybe 1500 would get more people to vote for it, or something else chagned, etc.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by vhf on Sunday June 05, 2016 @09:05AM (#11840719)
It wasn't 2500 bucks. The text Switzerland voted on today said something like:

> 1. The Confederation has to implement a basic income.

> 2. This basic income has to be sufficient to live in dignity and participate to public life.

> 3. The basic income amount and financing are regulated by law.

Nothing regarding the exact amount. Swiss people were asked to vote on an idea, not on a specific amount.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by m_mueller on Sunday June 05, 2016 @09:33AM (#11840856)
Which is exactly what made me turn against it. I want to know what I vote for, leaving it open like that will in the best case lead to a completely watered down compromise and in the worst case a complete mess. The social security system needs to get simplified at the same time. An initiative committee for UBI needs to sit down and come up with a tenable solution, at least for the basic parameters (both spending and financing).
Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by inflagranti on Sunday June 05, 2016 @09:52AM (#11840941)
It's exactly how it should be! We generally, like in this case, vote for a change of the constitution. The constitution should not contain specific monetary values like this that need to be regularly adapted anyway, nor would it make sense for people to vote on specific values. We should vote on general ideas and the government, together with specialists, impels implements them. Otherwise it's some kind of micromanagement by the masses.
Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by Zarkonnen on Sunday June 05, 2016 @08:50AM (#11840669)
Thing is that Switzerland is a super-expensive country. 1500 would not actually be enough to live on. You can get 4000 working at the till at a supermarket.
Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by nickik on Sunday June 05, 2016 @10:31AM (#11841144)
The idea of basic income is not to replace jobs. The idea is to give you the basics of living and food. Then you can take on additional work of some kind to improve your overall income.

You could live with 1500 if you really wanted to. Its not impossible.

Re:Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters by herbst on Monday June 06, 2016 @03:33AM (#11845209)
If you do not need any housing (or maybe am ok with a very remote small room)