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Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by logfromblammo on Friday June 03, 2016 @01:16PM (#11831647)
A truly free market has a price for contract killings--including, for instance, the current CEO of Bank of America, or the current chairman of the Fed, or someone like Bernie Madoff.

If the wealthy make a figurative "killing" abusing the poor, the poor turn around and make a literal killing. An unethical executive would have to hole up in a fortified compound and surround it with hired guns, just like a Mexican drug lord. That places limits on how much money you can make from antisocial behavior, simply because people stop voluntarily doing business with you.

All big business ends up being a variant of the Mafia, but there has to be some honor among thieves, otherwise gang wars break out and ruin the regular revenue streams for everyone.

Few people would actually be comfortable with a completely free market.

Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by kiruwa on Friday June 03, 2016 @02:37PM (#11832290)
This is rather silly. You've altered the definition of "free market" to the scope of things on the market, rather than the regulation of the market itself.

Although some free marketers (and many others) argue that things like prostitution should be "liberated" from prohibition, that's generally tangential to the arguments.

Usually, legal arguments about what can be bought or sold are settled in social/political terms, economics isn't really all that relevant.

Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by dragonwriter on Friday June 03, 2016 @02:47PM (#11832354)
Most free market advocates (and lots of people who aren't particularly inclined that way ideologically, but who analyze impacts of policy rather than superficial forms) view prohibitions (and the associated enforcement) as just one form of imposition of regulatory costs on a transaction.

> Usually, legal arguments about what can be bought or sold are settled in social/political terms, economics isn't really all that relevant.

The difference between "social/political" and "economic" is superficial.

Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by kiruwa on Friday June 03, 2016 @04:23PM (#11832987)
> The difference between "social/political" and "economic" is superficial.

If you're including all issues that have economic effects, perhaps I'd agree with you. But I'm talking about the decision-making process.

We don't decide whether global warming needs to be addressed using a profit-maximization algorithm. It's a moral question.

The same is true of slavery from the North's perspective in the US civil war. (You can make an economic argument for the south, but it's still a stretch) Fundamentally it's a moral/social/political question, that has tremendous economic effects.

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I'd actually argue the contrary. There are almost no "economic" arguments when it comes to regulation. Any argument worth having is fundamentally moral or social.

* How much taxation is "fair"

* What level of economic inequality violates "justice"

Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by dragonwriter on Friday June 03, 2016 @04:46PM (#11833158)
> But I'm talking about the decision-making process.

So am I. The decision making process that goes into "social/political" things is pretty much economic.

> We don't decide whether global warming needs to be addressed using a profit-maximization algorithm.

Social/political decision making is aggregating individual efforts to maximize the world's alignment with each individual's own preferences.

There's no difference between this and economic decision making.

> It's a moral question.

"Morality" is just one subset of personal preferences against which people act to optimize. The distinction between it and other subsets of preferences (like "aesthetics", etc.) is arbitrary.

Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by icebraining on Friday June 03, 2016 @01:40PM (#11831838)
Even if we assume the extreme, almost cartoonish version of free market, in which every possible transaction is legal, that still doesn't mean the action itself has to be. So you could have a market for contract killings - but you'd still be imprisoned for actually killing.
Re:The death of neoliberalism from within by logfromblammo on Friday June 03, 2016 @03:53PM (#11832774)
In a cartoonishly free market, law frameworks are also commodities, not enforced monopolies. Law enforcement is a paid service; there are no tax revenues to support it.

If you hire the Morag Tong to murder your business rival--who has no friends or partners ready to avenge his untimely death--who will be the one to hire Sam and Max to play freelance police long enough to bring you to justice?