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Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by gaius on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:31AM (#11829417)
because you aren't going to be afraid of something when you understand that it's not something you need to fear

Such as a highly educated media worker, has no fear of the factory closing because the company has found somewhere with lower taxes and relaxed pollution laws?

This is the appeal of Trump: he is the only candidate who doesn't want to send his demographics jobs offshore. It absolutely makes perfect sense for a significant number of voters to prefer him. I am really astonished at how many "liberals" despite their "high intellect" don't seem to get that there is a whole world outside their little bubble.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by petewailes on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:46AM (#11829489)
Or maybe the factory closing is a net benefit long term. Was losing millions of jobs in the farming sector a bad thing? Or the automation of the glass industry in the 1930's and 1940's that increased production and cleaned up emissions? Is the move to driverless vehicles and what that'll do to the logistics industry bad?

There's lots of examples of people losing jobs. That's sad for the individual, but long term it's generally good for the country. It'd be easy to say no to those forms of progress that hurt workers, but it'd be the wrong decision in the long run.

No-one said making the right choice has to be victimless, or that the wrong one has to be hard.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by catawbasam on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:19AM (#11829617)
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you yourself aren't in immediate danger of having your job eliminated. If you were, I'm guessing you'd see another side of the story.
Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by Jsrs on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:49AM (#11829736)
I'd be a lot more sympathetic to that other side if the people most in danger of losing their jobs weren't overwhelmingly voting against socialism.
Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by gaius on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:04AM (#11829557)
Sure, but telling an ordinary worker that they need to give up their livelihood in the now, for a net long term benefit that he or she may not live to see, is a hard sell.
Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by avz on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:54AM (#11829753)
> telling an ordinary worker that they need to give up their livelihood

What you need to tell the worker is not that they need to give up their livelihood, but that they need to retrain. Still painful, but much less. Also, there are ways to reduce and relieve the pain of retraining. And who knows for many people acquiring new skills and contacts may even turn out to be exciting and fun.

We need a politician with the guts to openly explain to the public that retraining is a necessity instead of fostering delusions that the old jobs can be kept. In fact, the progress in the development of self-driving cars combined with the fact that the most common job in most states is a truck driver [1] make this something of an emergency.

[1] http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-t...

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by internaut on Friday June 03, 2016 @04:55PM (#11833218)
Harder still when wage growth has been this anemic for this long.

The number of niches in the economy are not expanding.

When the average worker gets laid off, he or she stays laid off.

We could sprinkle the market with PhDs and it would solve nothing. The underlying issue is much more structural than the NYT wants to admit.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by ZeroGravitas on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:48AM (#11829497)
> he is the only candidate who doesn't want to send his demographics jobs offshore

Or at least he'll say that.

Whether he'll a) change his mind the next day, b) have any feasible plan to implement this, c) whether it's actually a net-positive for his demographic, d) whether he supports a bunch of other things that will hurt this demographic are all less clear.

I mean this is a man who manufactures stuff in China himself (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-admits-gear-made...).

Why not just increase sales tax and then give it to American union members if buying votes by subsidising them is a good strategy? It's basically the same thing, but it seems a lot less "American" to be honest about it.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by dagw on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:38AM (#11829695)
Or at least he'll say that.

Given a choice between someone who promises to fight for the thing you care about, but might be lying, and someone who promises to not fight for the thing you care about, the choice seems easy.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by ZeroGravitas on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:53AM (#11829750)
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Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by dagw on Friday June 03, 2016 @08:24AM (#11829874)
You're completely missing the point. The 'cost' of voting is the same no matter who you vote for and even if you chose not to vote someone will become president. So for many people they see the choice as being between someone who might fuck them over and someone who will fuck them over. I'm not a Trump supporter, but it's not that hard to see his appeal.
Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by ZeroGravitas on Friday June 03, 2016 @08:44AM (#11829973)
The 'cost' of voting isn't about paying money to vote. It's about the laws and policies that are brought in by the people in power. Taxes are a very obvious direct one, but just diverting tax money from "good stuff" to "bad stuff" is a fairly direct cost too.

Someone promising you unreasonable things is much more likely to be fucking you over. Some would say that promising you unreasonable things and then fucking you over is the basic thread of all politics, Trump is just taking it several steps further because apparently people have become unmoored from the reality of government and so cannot judge what is unrealistic anymore.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by sandworm101 on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:49AM (#11829502)
>> Trump: he is the only candidate who doesn't want to send his demographics jobs offshore.

Doesn't want too, but he'll muddle through and do it anyway. Just google "trump clothing china". In his world profit trumps all.

Re:Why Are the Highly Educated So Liberal? by bobwaycott on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:42AM (#11829467)
Oh, I think they get it just fine. They simply choose not to give into it.