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Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by mrweasel on Friday June 03, 2016 @04:10AM (#11828988)
>Someone invents a service that does that. Slowly ads take over.

The problem really is that no one wants to pay for services, or no one is willing to try charging for their services. Ads are the "safe" option, but it will also make your users leave in the long run.

I was pretty baffled when a publisher wrote that they would rather make money from ads on their site, than make money from people buying a subscription. Service like Twitter, Snapchat and what not seems to be the same way, there's no desire to try anything but ads.

It is still my belief that at some point some large seller of physical goods will announce that they're pull their online ads due to lack of profitability. After that the entire online media business will be forced to charge their users, and we'll all be better off. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by raimue on Friday June 03, 2016 @04:47AM (#11829096)
> or no one is willing to try charging for their services

app.net tried, but it was not successful.

Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by majewsky on Friday June 03, 2016 @05:33AM (#11829219)
In Germany, especially since Snowden, there is a healthy niche for paid mail providers, such as posteo.de or mailbox.org. I pay 1€ per month for my mailbox because it allows me to be certain that I'm the customer, not the product.
Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by mrweasel on Friday June 03, 2016 @07:09AM (#11829572)
I pay a little more for KolabNow, but I'm happy to do it.
Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by weavie on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:30AM (#11829413)
So what is the alternative? We don't want to pay, we don't want ads.. how else can these things make money?
Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by mrweasel on Friday June 03, 2016 @06:52AM (#11829513)
My alternative isn't one that most people would accept, but I'd be fine with money losing companies ceasing to exist.

I'm fairly confident that Snapchat could make money charging their users, if the fee is sufficiently small. Say $10 per year, perhaps as an in-app purchase, with the first 6 month being free.

We also may have to accept that some of these companies, Twitter seems the most obvious, isn't actually providing anything of tangible value to the average user and therefore can't exist. Of cause if some investors wants to keep throwing money at Twitter to keep the lights on, they're more than welcome. I know I'm not exactly being friendly towards Twitter, but it's a great example of a company that needs to fail. The only reason they don't is because investors have already wasted so much money that they're desperately trying so save it in hope of making the money back, by some miracle. Part of it might also be that investors, journalists and bankers are so heavy users of Twitter that they fail to see that the business isn't sustainable.

In the end the user will always be the one to pay the bill. Either by directly paying, or indirectly via advertising.

Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by soundwave106 on Friday June 03, 2016 @11:08AM (#11830741)
I pretty much use Facebook to follow local companies I'm interested in (as it is currently useless for personal interests at this time). I doubt I'm alone in using Facebook in this manner. I've sometimes wondered if ultimately Facebook could monetize off of that.

(Even on this angle, the problem right now is that Facebook's ad algorithm is a bit, er, dumb. At least, it hasn't figured out that I'm far more interested in local business X, Y, and Z that I'm following and not whatever unrelated spam some megagiantcorp is pushing...)

Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by ojosilva on Friday June 03, 2016 @12:56PM (#11831504)
Following companies is a "pull" method that would not generate significant revenue. Facebook corporate customers want to be able to push, and that's why we have ads.

I firmly believe product placement, and the information exchange that surrounds it, is _the_ monetization scheme. Unfortunately, not only Facebook's ad algorithm is broken, but pretty much everyone else's. They have come a long way nonetheless, ad targeting today is one order of magnitude better that it was only a few years back.

People want advice not advertisements. When someone has money to spend and a need to fulfill, to have the right "advisor" is an incredibly valuable asset. Imagine a bot that knows my tastes, my assets and basically my life. This advanced bot could psyche me, at the right time, into making valuable and exciting purchases. A bot I could trust would succeed turning my money into happiness. That's the direction current algorithms have taken, with ever-increasing (and rather suspicious) omnipresence in our lives, grabbing any input they can get their hands on. The key difference is that companies look after their interests instead of mine.

Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by afro88 on Friday June 03, 2016 @08:57AM (#11830040)
Is it a possibility that these services eventually tank due to this very reason? They just get kept afloat long enough for a run of VCs to make some money, until the sucker VCs at the end put up with the loss from the company folding?
Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by marssaxman on Monday June 06, 2016 @01:02PM (#11848264)
Why do they have to make money? The infrastructure is only non-trivial because it's being centralized; if we ran this sort of thing as a distributed network, it could be done "for free".
Re:Snapchat Passes Twitter in Daily Usage by theseatoms on Friday June 03, 2016 @08:46AM (#11829984)
Maybe the alternative is to structure social media platforms as non-profits?