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Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by stevefeinstein on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @12:50PM (#11807719)
I think tis is a step in the right direction, but I can't help but think that raising the floor still leaves people there on the floor. Won't inflation, as well as increased demand for the things people need just raise prices of those things out of reach of those on the floor negating any benefit?
Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by elizabeth-ycr on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @01:06PM (#11807899)
It’s a good question, and how basic income affects macroeconomic conditions (inflation, housing prices, demand for labor, etc.) is really important to figure out, but it’s honestly beyond the scope of this study. We’re focusing on the individual-level effects as a first step.
Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by ZenoArrow on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @12:57PM (#11807792)
> "Won't inflation, as well as increased demand for the things people need just raise prices of those things out of reach of those on the floor negating any benefit?"

Ideally you'd want UBI to increase with inflation. However, as the initial study is over 5 years the decrease in purchasing power by the end of the study is likely to be minimal.

There is a risk that companies that service low-income people will increase their prices faster than inflation, negating some of the benefits of UBI. The only guard I know of for this is strong competition and disciplined consumers, people have to be willing to express their dislike of price hikes by shopping elsewhere otherwise the system won't work. I'm guessing that monitoring price rises will be part of this YC-backed study.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by stcredzero on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @01:07PM (#11807909)
There is a risk that companies that service low-income people will increase their prices faster than inflation, negating some of the benefits of UBI. The only guard I know of for this is strong competition and disciplined consumers, people have to be willing to express their dislike of price hikes by shopping elsewhere otherwise the system won't work.

There are places where people don't have enough mobility to be able to do this.

EDIT: One of the interns at the non-profit I volunteer at landed a job, but had to give it up because he didn't have transportation that could reliably get him to his job. (Late shift.) He lives in Oakland.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by ZenoArrow on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @01:33PM (#11808261)
> "There are places where people don't have enough mobility to be able to do this."

That's where Internet shopping comes in. Ideally you want to support local businesses to keep jobs in the area, but if you need to fight against price hikes and can't do so locally then the best thing to do is shop online until the price hikes are reduced.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by runako on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @02:04PM (#11808598)
The irony here is that it's well-documented that the poorest are also generally the least equipped to take advantage of the best deals (online or otherwise). Lack of a credit card, inability to purchase in bulk ("bulk" to someone with meager financial resources might not appear to be "bulk" to you), no Internet at home, unreliable transportation, are all reasons people are not able to shop online or at places like Costco.
Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by ZenoArrow on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @03:03PM (#11809151)
Traditionally yes, but there are options. If the individual is too poor to have any Internet-capable device (can use free WiFi to buy things, though I recognise this is a security risk unless you're tech savvy) then there are ways to save money through community action (pooling resources to buy in bulk, etc...). It's more a question of organisation and discipline rather than opportunity, though it's certainly harder than only having to rely on your own initiative.
Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by stcredzero on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @04:22PM (#11809887)
there are ways to save money through community action (pooling resources to buy in bulk, etc...). It's more a question of organisation and discipline rather than opportunity, though it's certainly harder than only having to rely on your own initiative.

Sounds like a good project to benefit those lower on the socioeconomic ladder.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by Sacho on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:07AM (#11814914)
> The only guard I know of for this is strong competition and disciplined consumers, people have to be willing to express their dislike of price hikes by shopping elsewhere otherwise the system won't work.

Why would you need BI if that existed in the first place? Then people would have the discipline to not work shitty jobs and strong competition would provide them the work they want! What has BI solved, then?

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by ZenoArrow on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:57PM (#11816028)
> "Why would you need BI if that existed in the first place? Then people would have the discipline to not work shitty jobs and strong competition would provide them the work they want! What has BI solved, then?"

The desire to eat trumps the desire for a better job. If you tie people's choices to their need to survive, you are going to interfere with what people would choose that serves their best interests. Amongst other things, UBI tackles this issue.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by stale2002 on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @01:18PM (#11808068)
Inflation is caused by a total increase in the money supply. That doesn't have to be the case with UBI.

The way that you get rid of the inflation caused by the money that is added to the system by UBI, is by taking away from someone else. Usually this is done through taxes.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by diyseguy on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @12:53PM (#11807760)
That's what I imagine happening too. $1K a month sounds great until inflation renders it equivalent to $100 a month. Perhaps it could be adjusted for inflation in some way.
Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by rincebrain on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @12:59PM (#11807814)
I'd hope you'd tie it to inflation, but that only helps so much if the rate of inflation it's tied to is even slightly "off" (say, by a tenth of a percent), and then you compound it annually...