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Re:How Not to Explain Success by 99_00 on Sunday May 29, 2016 @10:35PM (#11799254)
I don't even understand the internal logic of "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother".

The reasoning seems to go like this: Asians-Americans make more money. Chinese-Americans are Asian-Americans. Raise your kids the way Chinese parents do. If you look at the stats, Chinese-Americans don't do especially well.

You'd be better off raising your child in the "Filipino style" if such a thing exists.

Indian American : $127,591[2]

Taiwanese American : $85,566[2]

Filipino American : $82,389[2]

Australian American : $76,095[3]

Latvian American : $76,040[3]

British American : $75,788[3]

European American : $75,341[3]

Russian American : $75,305[3]

Lithuanian American : $73,678[3]

Austrian American : $72,284[3]

Scandinavian American : $72,075[3]

Serbian American : $71,394[3]

Croatian American : $71,047[3]

Japanese American : $70,261[2]

Swiss American : $69,941[3]

Slovene American : $69,842[3]

Bulgarian American : $69,758[3]

Romanian American : $69,598[3]

Chinese American: $69,586[2] (including Taiwanese American)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

Re:How Not to Explain Success by sien on Monday May 30, 2016 @12:23AM (#11799542)
Australian Americans are #4. Awesome.

I'm drafting 'The Bushwacking hymn of the Tasmanian Tiger mother' as we speak.

The secret to great kids is:

1) Call them Bruce. 2) Give them a proper knife 3) Plenty of prawns of the barby 4) Regular croc wrestling

Re:How Not to Explain Success by randycupertino on Monday May 30, 2016 @04:23AM (#11800238)
Don't forget to tell them to go catch and cook mudcrabs bare handed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44aNi4UgYAo

Re:How Not to Explain Success by dmoy on Sunday May 29, 2016 @10:48PM (#11799291)
The tiger mother thing isn't coming from the stereotype of what it's like to be a descendent of a southern Chinese immigrating in the 19th century. It's coming from the current wave of Chinese, which is not accurately captured from that wiki article.

There's a lot of not super wealthy older Chinese families in the US, who came over a long time ago. Contrast that with Taiwanese American families, they're coming more from the 60s & 70s of the 20th century (not all, but more).

There's also like an order of magnitude or two more (non-Taiwanese) Chinese American than there are Taiwanese American.

It would be more like if you cherry picked out the current class of very rich Chinese who send their kids to Uni in the US and buy up investment visas, and then were surprised when their descendants were richer.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by 99_00 on Monday May 30, 2016 @02:37AM (#11799907)
In 1960s there were 237,292 Chinese-Americans. In 2010 there are 3,794,673. I suspect that increase is due to new wave immigration rather than natural population growth. So I don't think the poorer old time families are a factor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans#S...

>It would be more like if you cherry picked out the current class of very rich Chinese who send their kids to Uni in the US and buy up investment visas, and then were surprised when their descendants were richer.

Actually, I think if we included the super rich mainland Chinese who buy their way in we'd see even lower declared incomes.

Study reveals awfulness of Canadian investor immigration [most of whom are Chinese]; income tax averages C$1,400 per millionaire

http://www.scmp.com/comment/blogs/article/1929324/study-reve...

Re:How Not to Explain Success by Chris2048 on Monday May 30, 2016 @04:29AM (#11800255)
Just a note: I wouldn't assume these stats say anything about the given ethnicities, as opposed to the demographic make-up of America.

For example, WE can cherry-pick some of the most successful Indians from India, and many are likely to want to move to America.

Many of the Europeans however, may just as easily find success in their respective countries, and their populations are smaller.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by sumedh on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @09:13AM (#11806306)
> WE can cherry-pick some of the most successful Indians from India

Indian here, I believe its combination of couple of factors. US gets the cream of India but Indian parents drill into their kids heads that you have to get good grades or else you will fail in life.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by Chris2048 on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @01:15PM (#11808024)
wrt India, there are also infrastructional issues. I note there is not so many of tech startups in India, outside recruiting/outsourcing, despite the huge number of tech workers there.
Re:How Not to Explain Success by sumedh on Saturday June 11, 2016 @12:47AM (#11882119)
Tech startups is not a good metric. Wealthy Indians are risk averse and there is a lack of trust in India.

Considering all that few Indian cities do have a healthy startup culture and Indian angel investors who have worked in the US and American VCs have started funding big amounts.

DO recently opened a datacenter in Bangalore to capture all this new growth.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by Chris2048 on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @07:59AM (#11813660)
*infrastructural
Re:How Not to Explain Success by livus on Monday May 30, 2016 @07:13AM (#11800727)
I'm surprised at the success of Indian Americans. What gives for their success?
Re:How Not to Explain Success by codegeek on Monday May 30, 2016 @07:18AM (#11800747)
One of the factors may be the fact that a lot of second generation Indian-Americans are mostly doctors, engineers etc. It is really in the culture to go for medicine, engineering and sciences as a career.

Within first generation, there is that segment of taxi drivers, gas stations, store owners as well but again, there is a huge entrepreneurial drive in those segments as well and many of them own their stores, gas stations etc instead of just working there. But then again, a lot of first generation Indians are also very well educated and they come for the STEM jobs as we all know.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by padmabushan on Monday May 30, 2016 @03:17AM (#11800034)
anybody else noticed that 30k$+ difference b/n the first place and second?