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Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by kuschku on Friday May 27, 2016 @05:08AM (#11784784)
> "Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary"

(also read https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ )

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by DanBC on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:32AM (#11785054)
Everyone does this. Try sending an image of child sexual abuse through your gmail account and see what happens. Google even tells you they do it for rights enforcement:

https://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

> For legal reasons

> We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to:

> * meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.

> * enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations.

> * detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues.

> * protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, our users or the public as required or permitted by law.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by vetinari on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:01AM (#11785398)
How is that even in the same league? Google can disclose, what you send to their servers. Microsoft can disclose, what you keep on your own machine.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by ryanl0l on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:28AM (#11785529)
>Microsoft can disclose, what you keep on your own machine.

Want to expand on that a little? Presumably the above quote is regarding skydrive etc.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by vetinari on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:46AM (#11785629)
After some light googling, it appears, that it was a part of original privacy statement, when Windows 10 was released.

For example: https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona...

(when googling the phrase cited by kuschku, the first link is to reddit and there it links to edri).

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by kuschku on Friday May 27, 2016 @12:26PM (#11787060)
> We will share personal information with __companies__, organizations or __individuals__ outside of Google if we have __a good-faith belief__ that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to: […] __protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google__

That alone can be turned into "we can share whatever we want with anyone whenever we feel like it" very easily, you realize that?

The proper solution would be

> We will share personal information with governments if we are required by law to do so.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Piskvorrr on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:39AM (#11785074)
"If you want privacy, you must be a child molester or a terrist." Obvious troll is obvious.

On a more serious note, "everyone does that" makes it okay? Really?

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by TeMPOraL on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:58AM (#11785133)
Obvious reading comprehention failure is obvious.

DanBC didn't write anything which could imply he believes that "If you want privacy, you must be a child molester or a terrist".

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Piskvorrr on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:15AM (#11785211)
"Try sending an image of child sexual abuse through your gmail account and see what happens." - the implication is clear: "why else would you fear the Big Brother?"
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by TeMPOraL on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:28AM (#11785259)
No, the implication is - do that for a practical demonstration that Google does the same thing 'kuschku pointed out Microsoft does.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Joeboy on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:28AM (#11785260)
I presume the purpose of that sentence is to back up the previous one ("Everybody does this").
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by ryanlol on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:27AM (#11785257)
I think you need to reread DanBCs comment.

His comment is stating what google does and gives a pretty strong example, not justifying what they do.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by DanBC on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:23AM (#11785507)
That's not what I meant. How could I make my comment more clear?

What I meant is that almost all companies will invade privacy to prevent and detect certain crimes. MS does it, but so do Google, Apple, etc etc.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Piskvorrr on Saturday May 28, 2016 @10:27AM (#11791759)
Okay, I apologize for having misread you. Thanks for a level-headed clarification to my angry comment.