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Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by ghgfhgfhn on Friday May 27, 2016 @04:27AM (#11784649)
If China did this what would you think the reasons would be? Of course it would be to spy on their citizens, to exert social control.

What makes us think the US is so different after the stuff that's gone down in recent years?

I genuinely consider it a possibility that this is linked to the panic over terrorism and that governments now have access to the data being hoovered up on practically everyone by Microsoft.

Of course I have no evidence. So the best that can be said objectively is that we cannot know either way, but still my gut is sending me warning messages.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by kuschku on Friday May 27, 2016 @05:08AM (#11784784)
> "Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary"

(also read https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ )

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by DanBC on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:32AM (#11785054)
Everyone does this. Try sending an image of child sexual abuse through your gmail account and see what happens. Google even tells you they do it for rights enforcement:

https://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

> For legal reasons

> We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to:

> * meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.

> * enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations.

> * detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues.

> * protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, our users or the public as required or permitted by law.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by vetinari on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:01AM (#11785398)
How is that even in the same league? Google can disclose, what you send to their servers. Microsoft can disclose, what you keep on your own machine.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by ryanl0l on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:28AM (#11785529)
>Microsoft can disclose, what you keep on your own machine.

Want to expand on that a little? Presumably the above quote is regarding skydrive etc.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by vetinari on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:46AM (#11785629)
After some light googling, it appears, that it was a part of original privacy statement, when Windows 10 was released.

For example: https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona...

(when googling the phrase cited by kuschku, the first link is to reddit and there it links to edri).

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by kuschku on Friday May 27, 2016 @12:26PM (#11787060)
> We will share personal information with __companies__, organizations or __individuals__ outside of Google if we have __a good-faith belief__ that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to: […] __protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google__

That alone can be turned into "we can share whatever we want with anyone whenever we feel like it" very easily, you realize that?

The proper solution would be

> We will share personal information with governments if we are required by law to do so.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Piskvorrr on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:39AM (#11785074)
"If you want privacy, you must be a child molester or a terrist." Obvious troll is obvious.

On a more serious note, "everyone does that" makes it okay? Really?

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by TeMPOraL on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:58AM (#11785133)
Obvious reading comprehention failure is obvious.

DanBC didn't write anything which could imply he believes that "If you want privacy, you must be a child molester or a terrist".

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Piskvorrr on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:15AM (#11785211)
"Try sending an image of child sexual abuse through your gmail account and see what happens." - the implication is clear: "why else would you fear the Big Brother?"
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by TeMPOraL on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:28AM (#11785259)
No, the implication is - do that for a practical demonstration that Google does the same thing 'kuschku pointed out Microsoft does.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Joeboy on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:28AM (#11785260)
I presume the purpose of that sentence is to back up the previous one ("Everybody does this").
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by ryanlol on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:27AM (#11785257)
I think you need to reread DanBCs comment.

His comment is stating what google does and gives a pretty strong example, not justifying what they do.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by DanBC on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:23AM (#11785507)
That's not what I meant. How could I make my comment more clear?

What I meant is that almost all companies will invade privacy to prevent and detect certain crimes. MS does it, but so do Google, Apple, etc etc.

Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick' by Piskvorrr on Saturday May 28, 2016 @10:27AM (#11791759)
Okay, I apologize for having misread you. Thanks for a level-headed clarification to my angry comment.