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Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by anjc on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:45AM (#11769040)
Hard to understand. They buy the one company division in the world who was pushing the Windows Phone brand, a company who was innovating in terms of design and cameras and who had finally cracked their own decent brand and product line etc, and they immediately start winding them down. And they're going to work on their own hardware now anyway.

At the same time they throw their own stable OS in the bin and release a buggy beta version which has ruined the experience for WP users.

What was the point of this whole exercise? A convoluted way of getting Nokia's masses of IP rights for mobile? Why not just leave Nokia to keep pushing WP?

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by merpnderp on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:21AM (#11769225)
A lot of people believe Nokia was about to switch to releasing Android phones and Microsoft had no choice but to buy them or exit the phone business. Nokia was in dire straits at the time.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by sirkneeland on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @03:35PM (#11772451)
This is not incorrect.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by sickbeard on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:25AM (#11769249)
I think with UWP, the phone team lost control of the platform, and the core team working on UWP weren't that interested in making compromises needed for the phone. Hence the terrible and poor builds.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by Maakuth on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:51AM (#11769383)
> What was the point of this whole exercise? A convoluted way of getting Nokia's masses of IP rights for mobile? Why not just leave Nokia to keep pushing WP?

Nokia only sold their mobile phone arm and licensed the IP. This doesn't seem like the cheapest way to get those licenses.

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by anjc on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @09:38AM (#11769637)
As far as I'm aware they were giving exclusive licensing rights to their IP to Microsoft in perpetuity. But yeah, it doesn't seem cheap...
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by Maakuth on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @10:27AM (#11769976)
That is not correct. All the phone vendors need licenses to some Nokia IP as they own much of the core patents needed for GSM/UMTS/LTE radio implementations. They've licensed them to Microsoft among others. I guess MS got all the Nokia phone software copyrights to themselves, but I don't think Symbian and S40 source are worth very much at the moment.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by Nokinside on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @11:01AM (#11770258)
>I guess MS got all the Nokia phone software copyrights to themselves

This is incorrect. MS only bought non-exclusive, 10-year license for Nokia’s patent portfolio. Nokia has all the IP.

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by stevehiehn on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:00AM (#11769106)
Seems clear to me. They executed on a strategy and consumers weren't interested.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by arielweisberg on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @11:04AM (#11770280)
My wife really likes Windows Phone and wanted a Lumia 1020 for the camera. I offered her my 6+ and she refused.

Trying to upgrade her to a new model is basically impossible. At the time we bought it if you went to any carrier store the Windows phones were clearly second class citizens with the best models not present. Carriers like T-Mobile wouldn't even sell you a decent model because they don't carry them at all and if you buy one separately you find that carrier specific stuff (tethering) is broken.

With Windows phone it was really like they weren't even trying to move units. Sure they built the software and hardware, but actual retail presence seemed pretty broken.

They also failed at continuity. There is no Lumia 1020 successor. The lineup in general seems fragmented with no regular predictable upgrade path and iteration.

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by blakeyrat on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @01:43PM (#11771610)
AT&T did a pretty good job of promoting them a few years ago, but my problem is that I had a HTC Titan II, then moved up to a Nokia 1020, then when it's screen broke, moved up to a... oh wait. Exactly like you said, there was no upgrade path.

They didn't release any new phone models for something like 3 solid years. At the same time, the Nokia purchase removed HTC (who was at least somewhat enthusiastic about the OS previously) from the Windows Phone ecosystem.

So if you're a die-hard Windows Phone fan, they went 3 years with no new phones for you to buy! It's no wonder the OS is struggling. And while the Nokia 1020 is a fine phone, I loved, loved, loved my HTC WinPhone and it's a damn shame I'll never be able to buy that combination of hardware and software ever again.

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by GrumpyYoungMan on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @01:26PM (#11771489)
The wireless carriers have the final say on which phones they stock and promote, not the manufacturer. There most likely weren't enough sales of Windows Phone devices to make it worthwhile for them to bother trying.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by sirkneeland on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @03:50PM (#11772560)
Carrier sales reps didn't like selling Windows Phones, and you can't blame them. From their perspective, they want to sell you a phone in the shortest amount of time that has the lowest probability of return.

Windows Phones had a different UI that meant the sales rep had to spend time showing how it worked, and even if he/she did make the sale, he faced the high risk of a Lumia getting returned because the customer found out some key app wasn't available on Windows Phone but was easily available on iOS and Android (their bank, or airline, Snapchat, and let's not forget Instagram wasn't there for a while)

(source: I'm a former Nokia employee)

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by anjc on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:10AM (#11769164)
Well penetration of WP is down yeah, but that only makes sense when Nokia Lumias immediately disappeared from shops upon announcement of the MS Lumia devices, and when MS did not market or promote those new devices very much. The 950 range was also largely unavailable due to stock levels. So for about two years there you couldn't buy a Lumia even if you wanted to. So it's not surprise that usage went down and that consumers weren't interested.

But my question is what was the corporate strategy? Did they see the success of the Lumia line and wanted control of it? If so, why did they immediately fire people and stop development of new devices?

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by bazqux2 on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @09:29AM (#11769580)
It's so when they kill it there are fewer people to complain
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by ninv on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @09:28AM (#11769577)
What was the point of this whole exercise?

Patents.

Microsoft make more money from the Android than Google ...

Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by pavlov on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @09:30AM (#11769589)
But Nokia kept the patents, Microsoft only licensed them for a period of time...
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by nametakenobv on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @10:22AM (#11769935)
It's pretty easy to understand. Nokia was bought by the previous CEO.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by kristofferR on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @11:10AM (#11770315)
It only makes sense if Microsoft is planning to kill Windows Phone (or whatever it's called now).
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by dave2000 on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @03:51PM (#11772565)
It's just dipped below 1% market share. It doesn't matter if Microsoft kill it or not - either way it's not coming back.
Re:Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops ph... by astrodust on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @01:56PM (#11771723)
They'll kill it by not killing it.