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Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by nl on Tuesday May 24, 2016 @08:08PM (#11766660)
I think Garmin is way underrated as a (hardware) technology company.

Given that they were a GPS company that people wrote off as being irrelevant in the age of smartphones and Google Maps they have done a great job carving out multiple niches in sports devices (and that ignores their "Smart Glass" airplane business).

I have 2 Edge cycling computers and a Garmin running watch and love them all.

The Edge 520 is the type of device that I'd see the specs of and expect to be a half-implemented heap of junk (connects to my phone to receive notifications while I ride? Automatically uploads rides when I finish them? This will never work). And yet it really is rather good.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by barrkel on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:06AM (#11768914)
Their motorcycle products have gotten much worse over time (specifically, Zumo 550 to 350).

They've lost physical buttons (it's much, much safer to get back to map view via tactile sensation) and added horrible drag-based panning to the overhead map view. The device can't reliably distinguish between a tap to initiate a drag and a tap to select a point. Selecting a point recenters the map. The two fight one another, usually going in the wrong direction.

It no longer supports an ad-hoc routing workflow. Before, you could select start and end points to your journey, then randomly select waypoints to visit from the map view, and they'd be added in the most sensible order. Now, if you manage to force the map view to point at where you want to go, then it forces you to select the insertion point of the new waypoint in a list, where you can't tell whether you'll be doubling back on yourself. I have to do all my routing in Google Maps now and then add villages to the route using the city finder. Ad-hoc routing by the roadside looking for curvy roads used to be a 60 second activity. Now I need to take off my gloves, pull out my phone, try and find relevant waypoints by name, type them in - it takes 10x as long.

The hardware is woefully underpowered. It feels just as slow as the Zumo 550 first released ten years ago. It can't route distances longer than about 400 miles if it doesn't involve motorways. Recalculation takes up to several minutes. Redrawing the screen in the middle of London after a zoom change can take nearly a minute.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by hauget on Tuesday May 24, 2016 @08:14PM (#11766686)
"I think Garmin is way underrated as a (hardware) technology company."

Can't agree more! I just wish they had a decent SDK so we could have apps on Garmin devices just like Pebble OS.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by imaffett on Tuesday May 24, 2016 @08:35PM (#11766772)
My wife got a pebble time last year after upgrading her OG pepple. It scratched like crazy and had tons of issues.

She bought a Garmin Vivoactive after xmas and both of us havent looked back. We get 2-3 weeks pf battery with moderate gps use. Alerts work way better then the Pebble watch. I highly recommend the garmin. I forget I have to charge it, but it takes 2 hrs to go from 20%-100%.

Also, I only know one person who wears a pebble, and it was a hand me down. Eveyone I know who owned a Pebble switched to Appl, Android Wear, Microsoft Band or Garmin.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by robalfonso on Tuesday May 24, 2016 @09:19PM (#11766985)
Thats interesting. I wanted alerts as my primary reason for getting a wrist device.

I agree the garmin was very sharp but mine for whatever reason lost bluetooth connection constantly.

The pebble on the other hand has been great for notifications.

I really wished the garmin had been better about that. YMMV.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by gvurrdon on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @06:24AM (#11768776)
Alerts are my primary reason also; the only time I do any vigorous exercise I certainly won't wear a smartwatch due to the risk of damage, so that functionality isn't of much use. I don't want to wear a watch in bed or in the shower either. I'm not keen on biometric data being collected anyway so it's good that the latest version of Android Wear allows denying sensor permissions.

What would be ideal would be a smartwatch that can manage to set Google reminders without having to have Google Now turned on; that, plus the occasional text message and even more occasional use of navigation, are all I use it for other than looking at notifications.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by girvo on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @06:39AM (#11768829)
I wear a Pebble. I had the OG Steel, and now have the Time Round. I love mine, and haven't had any of the issues others have experienced (and neither of mine are covered in scratches, and I'm not particularly cautious with them?).
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by pantulis on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @02:17AM (#11767966)
IMO it's not that Garmin's hardware is that great, it's that Garmin always got software right, in comparison with rivals like TomTom.
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by Matthias247 on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:10AM (#11769167)
Unfortunately I can't second that. I own an Edge cycling computer with which I'm happy in general, but which already had multiple severe bugs (like simply displaying "memory full" and not resetting itself in a loop) which required either hard resets or even reflashing the firmware to recover. Things which the average consumer might not be able to do.
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by aerique on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @06:44AM (#11768850)
Maybe in the US. In Europe I found their offerings underwhelming.
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by kentt on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @01:06AM (#11767760)
I guess I'll be the lone naysayer. I use a 620 and have had a 910 and 405. Each one had major bugs that make me shocked that they shipped. It seems that the general feeling from my friends who use their products, is that Garmin does a less awful job than Polar at providing fitness tracking for athletes.

Just one example, it's a common and known issue that putting the 620 on the charger will sometimes drain it completely. There's magnets that hold it in place so there is no chance the proper connection wasn't made to produce a charge. Even if there wasn't any charge, it shouldn't drain it, but numerous times when I've gone to grab my watch off the charger, I've found it dead. For perspective this is a $500 top of the line watch that they offer.

Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by stbtrax on Tuesday May 24, 2016 @08:39PM (#11766794)
Garmin's bike computers are the technology of 5 years ago, today! IMO the 520's display and user interface are garish and outdated. It's too bad they don't have any good competition in that space.
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by TarpitCarnivore on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @10:35AM (#11770033)
They do have competition (Wahoo for one) but the thing is most people who buy those devices don't care too much about the other bells and whistles of modern gadgets. They just want to see the numbers and have the GPS be stable.
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by gcatalfamo on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @05:25AM (#11768608)
I know I might sound against the current, but back in the age of portable car gps, in Europe Garmins were utter garbage compared to TomToms, maps were lousy, navigation perhaps worse. Has anybody experienced the same?
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by infecto on Tuesday May 24, 2016 @08:24PM (#11766728)
Agreed. I am glad they conceded that people use Strava. If I am going to upload and track results somewhere I would rather use Strava then their implementation.
Re:Pebble 2, Time 2 + All-New Pebble Core by nl on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:14AM (#11768943)
Indeed. Their web based activity tracking thing isn't fantastic, but it works so seamlessly with Strava it doesn't matter.